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Read what you wrote. Minimum wage and low testosterone income salary jobs follow no edu. You cannot get a middle income job without edu. Outlier being, political ties, old money/silver spoon, network, family, etc. You are bringing a straw man argument as you did for dating and marriage. Clearly, a subject you have no experience in. Either you are blue pill or you lack a individual thought following Stefan blind. Your naïve point is evident in everything you post. You don't sound very intelligent. The point clearly went over your head. That being, you aren't getting paid well without a education. Argues that not all women are like that (NAWALT)? Stop. You are embarrassing yourself. Log off. Actually, go meet women. Not what fairytale Disney nonsense you are pandering. Female hypergamy is uncompromising. Your argument is what? That when sexual market value (SMV) plummets or craters, she will marry you? This dude is begging to get cucked. I'll bump this when it happens. That's it. Younger. I am not interested in marriage after years of running through Chad's or Tyrone. The same argument for against college and yet for marriage is contradictory. Women aren't waiting. There's a time when a married man was respected. Today, he's a chump, a simp, and a cuck (most of the time). You're in for a reality check my friend the moment you log off and actually put yourself out there.if i were to guess, you likely are more the type to wait for women to pick you. You know,like after Chad and Tyrone's attention stopped. But, be my guest. White dress. A dog. What's divorce stat at? Fifty percent and two thirds initiated by women. I'd love a stat on what percent cucked before the divorce.

The repeat offender holds harder sentence with usada. I imagine this could be a possibility. Democrats will paint a diff pic.

I am agreewith you. I am hoping Peterson gets his site out and disrupts the edu system. Unfortunately, unless you have political contracts, a family fortune, the silver spoon or triple digit IQ, you have little options. At thirty, I would be working fast food or some dead end job without my edu. I disagree. I am no mgtow but, I operate with red pill awareness. Let's say, you approach hundred women. How many would you date? Have sex with? Be in a ltr with? Peterson targets men to take responsibility. His message resonates but, the dating market is fucking disgusting. You have the majority of women running through Chad's starting from teens all the way into late twenties. Some even thirty plus. We've seen the FDR podcasts truth on sex, single moms, gene warfare, hyoergamy etc. So, she gets Chad's, gets beta male cucks provider, and his resources in a divorce. If she doesn't divorce or cuck, she usually gets fat. A lot of married men are cut off by their wives. Only a moron and a fuck would make this sort of investment. **** outlier being, the man who married high school sweet heart, girl on late side of teens or early side of twenty when they met. No cucking or weird shit, no ambiguity etc. **** I heard Stefan tell a woman late twenties to hurry up. Another words, some beta will take responsibility for r selected behavior when smv was at her best. No thanks. Screaming misogyny is not an argument (thank you Stefan).

I watched this Ages ago. For whatever reason, this post never went. I am noticing similar things with messages. Not sure if support can look into this. Anyway, it was a great podcast. Its a nice change from politics,trump, and the left. I found it very insightful. I love the collaboration and I hope you bring back Jordan Peterson. Its highly beneficial given his background in the education system, reaching, and his agenda with education. I await that site he is making to cut out Marxist indoctrination. As for the podcast, I enjoyed how Stefan broke down the reasons not to go to school. I like how he shower the uselessness of it outside the STEM field. I found it informative with respect to the favoritism towards women and even the kangaroo courts held by false accusations. Its pretty scary. Most of all, I liked the breakdown of Stefan's success in technology, starting young,and building a business. This was fantastic. Now, I am going to play devils advocate. What if you aren't a entrepreneur? What to you don't have triple digit IQ like Stefan? With udemy and a variety of other resources, you can learn coding and programming. If you are below triple digit IQ, you are going to struggle. Furthermore, I believe it was Peterson who pointed to the scientific data that, there isn't a proven way to increase IQ nor mitigate say clinical mental retardation. The army won't take on someone with IQ of 83. I think it was said,at 85, they aren't issued a firearm due to their safe and others. Finally, I agree with Stefan, outside STEM, its beneficial to avoid college and the blood money that is student loans at all costs. You cannot declare bankruptcy on it. If there's a alternative to adding to the college loan epidemic, by all means take it. If college is unnecessary, if its not a requirement, if all the information is out there in a library, and for free,it is stupid to go to college. Its not smart to invest in the education system if its not entirely necessary. I concur with Stefan however, I would argue this philosophy would apply to other domains. If we argue that, it costs thousands of dollars for college which is mostly unnecessary (when looking at the data of what was learned in college), why would anybody get married? Its not necessary. Its not a requirement to survive. Its highly expensive. The divorce rate is disgusting and if we look at the stats based on gender, women initiate more then two thirds. There's the kangaroo court systems. There's custody battle. In getting married, a man swears away half his current and future earnings plus sexual access. I've seen the Peterson vids on enforced monogamy and on curbing male aggression. I am a product of the nuclear family. I know its the ideal path for children. Its not a great deal for men. I know a lot of men banisher to the he garage. Are utility for resources and are cut off from sex. Just to be consistent, if I can go without college, I likely can go without marriage. Neither guarantees success and if things go tits up, my resources, access,and children are taken from me. For the record, I see this value in marriage but,I sm not a fan of what its becoming. Happy wife happy life. Lol

It sounds like you did it right. She followed a traditional approach but, with 'the bad boy.' a lot of women plummet their smv to pursue Chad's. It's not your battle to make nor fight. Step aside. Let them handle it. Iam the product of the nuclear family. I value family and marriage but, I have no use for what it has become to this point.

You either step up or step out of my way. I remember running into my high school cherish oneitus years later. She is a single mom. Typical girl following society and her outcome is piss poor. You either approach or your genes are weeded out of existence. Chad's will just pump and dump. You can suffice the courage to make your feelings known. Exchange your numbers. You can rest assured that you did that. It's the Gita, 'being unattached to the fruits of your labor.' You are free to approach. Freedom from outcome but the results are out of your hands. Take action. Step up. I llost count of cold approach. I am at the point, I am numb to rejection, flakes, ghosting. You can too. It's piss poor cesspool that is dating especially online/tinder /pof. It's 'proud single moms' bios, it's 'no fuck boys' write ups but, she's cratering her smv with Chad's. It's not until smv has plummeted or cratered that common sense kicks in, the party phase ends, and in comes baby rabies. Most change and evolve not because she's a good girl. she evolves because that dating market no longer provides the dopamine spikes she once had gotten from Chad's. It's dating Olympics as Stefan has said. I recommend that you approach and find out if you are interested and if you have any common interests. I messaged Elizabeth once about a hot young girl I met. She was really cute and after several encounters, I got her number, and we went out. I was ecstatic. Guess what? She was awful. She was a cultural Marxist, feminist, SJW, and clung to victimhood. She went on a rant about white privilege. This coming from a single white girl in a high end middle class background. I ended the date immediately. I made out with her and I never spoke to her again. It was shit but, I will never mental masturbate about what would happen? Funny I saw her recently. She death stared as I approached girls in front of her. Op, I either approach or my genes are weeded out of existence. The choice is yours. That or wait for her to hit the wall or be a single mom to pick you. I prefer her young not plummeted smv.

Agreed. I don't see the value for her in a polygamy marriage any more than I do for men in the current situation of monogamous marriage esp in western society. The fact is pretty alarming. Seeking self knowledge has led me here. I am still very interested in the process but, none of my research, experience or knowledge suggests that it is the best route to take as a man. I agree with Peterson that it is ideal for the children. I've said many times, you're an amazing exception to the norm now a days. I just saw a YouTuber that depicted the joke that is the Royal Wedding. I saw another one about Colin Firths wife cucking him. Gives her a wedding, children, a luxurious lifestyle and BRB, cucking my hubby. I don't want to live to Iive on this planet anymore.

Man, you dropped the ball. Don't ever make public displays of affection to women in your work. Its foolish. School boy error. If anything, be ambiguous, vague, indifferent, and let women initiate. The juice is never worth the squeeze IMHO and experience. Its a headache and it is never casual no matter how much they try to say it will be. Furthermore, you cannot bring out the violin and cry foul. She can always play that victim narrative and destroy your career. In the predicament I shared, I took her home, a male coworker caught her sexually harassing me (in the event it went to HR), and furthermore, I video tapped going 15 rds from 3am till 6am back at her place. The video tape on my phone was renamed "coffee." What she invited me in for after the pub. I wish things were different. Like, I wish this was not a scenario one would have to worry about but, I always archive text convos, screen shots, snapchats, nudes, emails etc. in the event things go tits up. If you play with fire, you will get burned. In all probability, if you have a video on your phone of clapping them cheeks, she is less likely to go to HR after though, she could call it blackmail even still. best left undone.

I got a girl's number once from work (lies, several times but, I digress). This girl texts me all sexual, pics, nudes, etc and how she likes it rough. Then, ghosts me. Totally, no response or one word answers. She is not the only fish in the sea so, whateves. I go meet other girls. A month goes by and this girl comes out of the wood works texting. Due to life experience and a background in cold approach, I am well aware that when women ghost, its because playboy stopped calling or her ex dumped her. Never any exceptions. The entire time, I am indifferent and not much of a response if anything. She starts chasing. Of course I get the "I was busy" line that women give when they ghost. I ended up getting groped by her at work and even other coworkers that were male said it was indiscrete on her part and inappropriate. Fastforward a few weeks, I run into her at a pub, and this night, I was on fire. I was chatting up lots of girls and getting numbers. She so happens to be there, attraction switches are flipped, and my being indifferent only added fuel to the fire. The girl I was pursuing got a bit too drunk and so, that did happen. The girl that ghosted I leave with. Drive her home. Get this. She invites me in for "coffee" at 3am lolololol She changes out of her dress with the door open. I come in partially clothes. End up bull rushing one another till era part of the next day. Her guilt kicks into overdrive and "I was busy" turns into, I was fucking my ex, and he stopped calling. Shocker. She wanted me to sleep over the night. I still felt cucked partially given she ghosted and the predicament. No fucking way, I would sleep over. I left, said I would call. Of course, I never did. I just kept text messages of the entire convo in the event she ever went to HR. Pretty sure she bad mouthed me to other girls but I just used plausible deniability. Did no such thing. OP, its not worth it. Some guys get away with murder humping everything. I would get arrested or fired. Likely both attempting the following. If I were to have guessed, using my phone, and video taping the encounter for HR likely was the only reason she didn't go full retardo and report me for harassment even though she propositioned me. Technically, I got sexually harassed in the workplace lol

there was a link to like 250+ free udacity courses on reddit FREE> Curious if its still up. Search TS! Many are super basic.

The only hypocritical comments I can recall one; calling dating younger "creepy." This is not an argument to steal his line.

Meanwhile, some SJW is wimpering online about their hurt feelers and being right while driving a taxi cab. Step your game up son!

You're mistaken. He is a clinical psychologist and prof with tenure at the university of Toronto. He was pushed to use compelled speech in gender pronouns by law. We then saw exactly what he was talking about later with Lindsay Shepard whereby, the university ambushed her for showing a Jordan Peterson video in a classroom, and accused of hurting the feelers of an imaginary student that did not even exist. Peterson is proven correct. He had the balls to step up against cultural Marxist and more stupidity. Saw a link that said he is making 60K USD/mon in youtube and a variety of other sources. Looks like he is doing it right.

Not sure if serious? He argued against laws enforcing gender pronouns.

+ 1 Great posts. Our government is changing laws which is putting entrepreneurs in a rape choke. fortunately, due to our healthcare system, there is a bit of breathing room in ways there are not any in other environments. Peterson is beginning to go outside his realm of expertise so, at some point, there will be a learning curve. You can be a jack of all trades AND a master of none. I've gained more from Peterson in the past couple of years then I ever did in a decade + of government education.

I post thst link before on this site. Women not men are the ones with the fucked up expectations but, as gatekeepers of sex esp when on top form have choice. It changes over time. If you read Dr. Helen Smith's book Men on Strike, it depicts the fucked up landscape. One way flow of education that caters to girl power despite male academics in decline for the past 50yrs, court system pedals victimhood, divorce laws play to women, and reproductive laws again all play for women. Mr 8, you got time on your side. A woman hits the wall, you date younger even if Stefano calls it "creepy," and you acquire top form SMV. A woman trades in her youth, or you next her.

I know. So, there is something wrong with the forum. It signs me out after like five minutes and my entire message is lost so, I copy pasted it back in otherwise, it would have been lost entirely. Beta In my teens. Found pickup. Learned to approach a lot. Saw a pattern of behavior. For instance, girls who I knew back in college or high school would kill to be with me now that they spent their best days being some guys booty call. If I didn't think for myself, I could have shoe horned myself into a situation with women on the tail end of their SMV and or raising some other man's baby. No thanks. I rather be single. I respect you more for the sacrifice you make. I like Stefan's advice here about how women use to be tough. You sound old school. One of the things I have noticed is the lack of sex a lot of married men have. Many a times, these women were freaky in their youth when younger and long before kids. Furthermore, a lot of the women replace their former diva ego maniac display picture with their kid. If you look for pictures, you can barely recognize the person with all the weight they put on. I dated this girl. Years ago. She was a complete space cadet. Also, she was shady and the type that would try to flirt with men or be buried face first into her phone. No doubt trying to get male attention. Needless to say, I stopped seeing her, and met a younger girl. Years later, I saw her, and she has gained well over 100lbs. Shocker, a single mom. Her twitter posts online equate to men being bad and something along the lines of being a victim. Comical. My buddy that found himself someone wifey-like, educated not only in the formal sense but, is worldly and cultured. Moreover, she is dedicated to him and they met on the much earlier side of 20. My buddy was saying, he thought 26 was about a good age for him. I told him I would go even younger and said 24 though, if she were 23, I am not complaining. Did you have a promiscuous streak before your husband? I found, liberal, arts major, women's studies, feminist, SJW tend to fall into this category. There was a group I recall pushing "men are rapey" yet, the ring leader was cheating on her bf. On tinder with a fiancé. I know people say not to talk religion or politics on dating but, I completely disagree. If a woman is any of the above, I am not interested. Peterson talks about cleaning your room rather then mas revolution and cultural Marxist. Its interesting as to what is acceptable in some cultures. I also found it interesting the culture of the 50s and present day. Zlatan Ibrahimovic was told to sit down, stfu, and do his hwk. He went onto be one of the greatest strikers of all time in soccer/football. If he followed that beaten path and didn't think for himself, the world would have been robbed of his talent, and he would have missed out on millions of dollars. Not shocking he cannot sit still. Peterson is good. I think he is bringing people back to traditional values. I feel like he is very much so blue pilled. He has changed my life for the better. Have you checked out his personality test? Worthy of try. Just do so when you have the time. I rushed it a bit. Similarly, I feel like Stefan has red pill awareness but, is still purple pilled at best. Still pushes marriage and I just don't see it not anymore. Are you and your husband planning any trips this year? I think couples need to make that time and explore. The kids were a by product of the relationship. I think couples mistakenly forget this important fact. Moreover, you get what you give. I don't know your husband but, I am already saying he did it right based upon the efforts and time you are putting forward. The fact that you see the value in it all. Making the time and working at it. You both got skin in the game. I feel like it is what is so wrong with dating and marriage these days because of the laws, the court systems, and the common theme of cucking. What is the biggest takeaways you had from your relationship? Lastly, what was it that made you marry him and have children with him?

You would likely be better off learning SEO and marketing all the while, you perfect your craft. You could use Upwork or find a competent comp sci student in his final year begging for an opportunity to make money as well as expand his portfolio. You could be a jack of all trades and a master of none. I commend you on learning programing. I once played with it in high school, mostly HTML, C++, javascript, Java, and some visual basics. I was far from a strong programmer. I could code but, it was like pulling teeth. I did some work as a analyst in I.T. mostly resetting passwords. Likely, I couldn't even do that now given the changes in programs and software. There was no IPOD back then let alone HTML5. Learn to market your content, learn SEO, and begin promoting. Look at who your biggest competition is. What are they doing? How much of the market do you need to acquire in order to make this worth the task? Look heavily into content creation. Finally, there was a reddit link to 250+ free udemy courses a few months ago. Some were solid. Some had good info on programming, marketing, etc. It would be worth a look to get a idea of a conceptual framework. It will get the motivational juices flowing. Good luck sir.

Its a simplification but, a abstraction that points to a truth as well as a phenomenon we are seeing now a days.

Shocked by the walls of text and no Jordan Peterson video. Insert WF crazy pill meme.

JBP hits it nail on. You are projecting your mental archetype onto this woman as to who/what you think she is. After years of cold approach pickup, meeting lots of women, if I learned anything, you fail every time you attempt to encapsulate her into some box as "good girl" or "the girl next door." Usually, you find the straight A student who is shy is the same one with rape fantasies and having unprotected sex with the Chad(s) raw. I assure you, her shit stinks. If you ever get her into bed, you will still get bored, and desire other women. Lower the importance you have of her. You either have chemistry with her or you do not. You actually acquire game once you reach a point where you assume attraction with every woman. More importantly, you acquire lots of numbers, you setup times to hangout casually, and you next any girl with any sign of ambiguity or low libido. WASH/RINSE/REPEAT

Rollo T. IMHO seemingly gets it bang on with the female imperative and solipsism. It would seem, there is a predisposition with skiing down cawk mountain, running through CHAD(s) when on top form SMV. Once she has cratered her SMV, once bulking season has kicked off, the milks gone bad, its white picket fence + good girl shtick to rope in some beta male cuck provider. Of course, the stats for divorce, for women initiating, and dragging a man through the court systems coincides with the cock carousel, high kill count, and as Stefan has always said, you do not date a single mom. I came to FDR forum to find a solution. IMHO, I have yet to find a solution for the current predicament. Western women are pretty toxic. We live in a feminine gynocentric society. A absurd amount of men have had their lives ruined in divorce and family courts. Male resources are extracted the moment a woman unleashes the dogs of the state. In many of the cases, a dude's little cherish spent her thiner/hotter/younger days jumping off the dick. Present day woman squandered her SMV chasing playboy with her vagina cheered on by a society that pedals you cannot judge her but, that manning up is giving her a ring and turning a whore into a house wife. I think the gene warfare/truth on sex/single mom podcasts depict the climate of things. I found a ton of value from Stefan and FDR. We disagree on the matter of cold approach, of approach an abundance of women, having CHOICE, and then, picking from said choice versus waiting for a woman to pick you. I also disagree on dating younger; Stefan declared this as being "creepy." No more an argument that a feminist screaming rape culture or misogyny. Its not an argument. I heard Dr. Peterson describe youth as "untapped potentiality." I could not quite articulate "youth" in the same manner. I am not hyper verbal the way this man is. He hits it NAIL ON IMHO. With respect to dating, YOUTH IS THE KEY. A woman is at the peak of her sexual market value (SMV) while YOUNG. Come at me when young, thin, hot, attractive, and in high sex drive. Its usually a party phase women run through CHAD(s), are sexually open, they enter the epiphany phase of the baby rabies, fertility, biological clock due to a variety of factors (friends are married, playboys stop calling, after sex, men are distant, the calls come but, the amount of orbiters are in decline, crows feet, increase in weight, friends have kids and got the ring, etc). In 2018, the game has changed. Marriage in the west is dead. What is left is a corpse of once upon a time. No man with options and resources is risking all he has on raising some other man's baby, on bulking season, on baby rabies, and a woman who has squandered her SMV into a crater. Stefan and Peterson are correct about casual sex, about marriage, and many a things. Then again, both men are blue pilled, are married, and are following that beaten path. So be it. If a woman is not at the height of her sexual market value, young, thin, and attractive, she is Netflix and chill material. I have boundaries set for myself. For instance, I don't marry western women. I don't date single moms. If a girl doesn't out after three encounters, I next her. If she online dates, she is Netflix and chill material. If she has social media ass pics, she is a attention whore, and pound town material. Not wifey. if she has low sex drive, she has outstayed her welcome. We live in a society that pedals in a one way flow toward a female imperative. Women have a biological strategy. Her genes are hypergamous in nature. Male nature is to spread his seed. Both sexes fail to overcome their biology and typically follow it blindly. The same woman in baby rabies mode puts out not because she likes or loves a man. She is seeking her baby so, the man who was never good enough for her during her best years acquires access to suit her biological desire now. I haven't figured out a solution but, I know the key is somewhere in there with youth. If a woman not dedicated without question or any form of ambivalence during youth, next her.

They've been indoctrinated with cultural Marxist, victimhood, feminism, and are entitled as fuck. There is more depression, pressures through social media, the realization that a good portion of women are skiing down cawk mountain, are cratering their best years when thin/young/attractive. Are seeking to play homemaker and white picket fence when playboy stops calling. TV screams at how America is racist, demonizes white males, #MeToo + attacks on all that is masculine. The attacks on fatherhood. Need I go on? Fathers in the household, a feminine/nurturing mother, solid socioeconomic status. family values, belief in God. They are aware, set boundaries, offer solutions but, also let their children problem-solve helping when necessary. The parents are invested in self knowledge, exploring consciousness, and creating an environment to thrive in. Children like to play. They need this aspect and component in their schools. Teenagers want to rebel, test boundaries, and its a part of life. Boys are being demonized in the school system, force medicated in a environment that is already hostile towards them. Dr. Helen Smith documented in her book the decline of male academics, about the school system that pedals to the girls, and there is no mitigating the facts. Young men are avoiding post secondary. Even more alarming is that, a significant portion of the teaching staff are women, many of whom are divorced, feminist, and don't like little boys. The same for social workers, daycares, EAs, and a variety of other areas of the system. A lot of boys don't learn by sitting still and being told to STFU. Jordan Peterson has a ton on this topic. Cultural Marxist comes to mind. Feminism. The pedaling to the girls. Boys have fallen behind the girls academically for over a half century. There are other ways to teach and to learn. Also, the push of education to get a job rather, the quest for self-knowledge, and to learn. The other comes naturally. The education system is failing by telling people what to think rather then learning how to think. This is not one and the same. I have learned more in two years from Jordan Peterson then I have from over a decade and half of government education. Kids need a teacher like yourself that is inspiring, is interested in self-knowledge, and willing to help motivate the youth who will be the future. Good for you for taking the time to be better at teaching and reaching your class.

Jordan Peterson has already begun to start the process. He is smart enough to have pointed out the problem, offered a solution, and is beginning to provide another resource. It will take time but, this the next big disruption. Government education needs to be disrupted the way BTC will disrupt the banking world.