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Its fantastic knowledge to have given especially at 19. Any idea as to what field you want to go into? The wisdom will come in time. Read modern and classic philosophy. Socrates - Know thy self. Read Managing Oneself by Peter Druker. You have the fire within you. It is portrayed in your desire to seek self knowledge. Put that to work in whatever areas you are skilled and talented in. Listen to Jordan Peterson. The last video I found enlightening. Have that vision for yourself and life. Use fear to be that driving force.

Great post. I did want to follow up with a lot of things on what you commented. Hopefully, I can see through your process and take something away going forward. Let me begin by asking, are you married? Wife? Children? family? The quest for self knowledge is what everyone should be working towards but, I find society is in a strange place now a days. Instead of 'know thy self,' the left is looking towards victimhood and a scapegoat especially the far-left. I think I mentioned it before. I read Talent is Overrated some years ago. You got to drive in that lane where you do your best work and where you can turn talents into star performer. Unfortunately, this message usually goes to deaf ears. Banished father figure in households. A cookie-cutter government education system. A real lack of actual value provided for these days. Your charting out and planning on how to make it happen in 5-10 years sounds similar to Peter Druker's advice in Managing Oneself through Feedback Analysis. Goal setting and putting a plan into motion over a span of 9-12months all the while seeing where one's talent are and refraining from areas where you simply cannot perform at a high level. Baiscally, what is input through Managing Oneself only, Druker suggests to refrain from turning mediocre abilities into near amateur performance. He goes onto suggest its best to refrain from taking on positions one cannot be a star peformer and to committing to those one can deliver at a high level. That Feedback-Anylsis is something I am starting on ATM. Similar to Talent is Overrated, the sooner one learns of there strengths, they can get to that world class star performer leve but, it takes reps. I listened to Arnold in Total Recall, his memoir and he deemed everything in life comes down to reps. With respect to mitigating weakness, this all takes time, and time away from one's star talent. The same with respect to therapy. If one needs it, by all means but, for the sake of just doing it, I question the merit here. I've lost a lot of family over the years. I am sure it would be benefical but, again, it is time away from crafting star performance in areas of strength. I found a lot of value in listening to Jordan Peterson, dong Self Authoring, and his Personality test. At 19, you have the time but, even then, it goes by in a blink Time is ones greatest asset. If I got to the point of spinning my wheels, despite my best efforts, I could not overcome a scenario, I would seek therapy then. It just seems all to glamorized now a days. Unless mentally ill or near breaking point, I would much prefer to shift my time into areas I can see immediate results be it financial or other. I do not dispute this. The thing is, even "educated" women are skiing down cawk mountain. The mother of your future children likely isn't the sort of woman who has ass pics up on IG assuming you are a man seeking self-knowledge and is a free thinker. It seems awfully convenient that men attempt to attract women with their resources. She leaves and then takes said male's resources through the state. If I am following your 5-10 year plan (ideally, i would much prefer to hit the six figure range in the next two year), I would want the idesl woman before having acquired that higher end six figure salary. At six figure range, I am not interested in then playing homemaker with a woman while I did all the heavy lifting and she wants to setup camp now. A lot of good women are sleeping around, are socially conditioned, following the culture, chasing career, and squandering SMV. We can blame society, culture, the normalizing of 'sloot gonna sloot' as well as single mother victimhood but, at the end of the day, individuals be it male or female are responsible for the choices they make and fail to make. Women got the victimhood bumper sticker so, they can make a series of bad decisions and daddy government will bail them out or some cuck will marry them. A woman the other day was bragging about how her bf (high end five figure income) cooks and cleans. She is a tramp with really high kill count. Squandered what SMV she once had. Highly entitled, expects the ring, and cannot turn on a stove. Obviously, she is a liability. There is more of this now a days and even women in the conventional nuclear family is parading around the hornets nest of single motherhood. I have a fair bit of heavy lifting to do the next few years. I came to FDR seeking a solution with respect to finding a wife. Staking claim in the free market in an area of one's genius is the path. Seeking self-knowledge and knowing how one succeeds is the path but not one of least resistance. When I get to where I am going, I refuse to be a ATM or squandered SMVs meal ticket. I am not trying to be the richest stiff in the cemetery but, I want to live a good life so, I am progressing toward said goals. This is what I seek. I find the more I follow the 'superior man' path (David Deida), the harder I work, "the luckier I seem to get." This path is riddled full of obstacles and assuming you are on a similar path, walking the walk, you know all too well what I mean. I wish I find access to this sort of knowledge at 19. I am still approaching women. I am still putting myself out there but, I grow avoidant especially when I see sloth. Even good women in the nuclear family I see socially conditioned chasing career and looking to compete with men for that corner office all the while allocating her eggs towards the man with far too many options. Conservative women are extremely rare or usually converts.

Husband is affectionate and you respond with doing something to make him angry? It makes me question why men get married anymore especially when sex is just a free for all now a days with tinder and bumble.

This was not really that long ago. I've been to this country. It is absolutely beautiful. They people are proud. Unfortunately, things are changing and if people do not step up to protect what is theirs, all will be lost. Screams of racism is not an argument. If this were to happen here in the west, I would without hesitation be ending lives, and protect my family, loved ones, and myself.

I disagree with all the above posts. Yes. Women belong in the military and should be drafted accordingly God forbid WWIII. I remember as a kid watching Titanic. The calls for "women and children first" ARE FUCKING OVER LADIES AND GENTLEMEN. This male disposability and cuckfest is over. If there was a war or a refugee issue like in Germany whereby, feminist politicians push to allow disgusting ideologies into their country only for 1200 women many of whom are under age were sexually attacked and gang banged in the street. If I was in Germany, I would be taking out my lewie ville slugger, and ending lives @ any piece of shit attempt to harm my women (women I am dating or in relations with), friends, and family. Beyond that, I have no allegiance nor do I owe not one drop of blood to anybody especially women I have no associations with. Women in the military is about as productive as women in the workplace. Gossip, victimhood, and skiing down cawk mountain. Its comical.

This is fantastic news. Its just more female victimhood. Perpetrator one sec and victimhood once reality sets in. Its becoming apparently clear, said types of women will ruin a man's life, make false accusations, and usually enjoy being morbidly obese with green hair. One of my favorite times was the presidential election. A lot of feminists and cunts like Chelsea Handler talked shit @ Trump before doing the water works when reality set in. Classic example of the female chameleon. TS, I think its important to be aware of the said facts and types of toxic women but, it is pretty evident that anybody that subscribes to victimhood iis far from a free thinker. The same women are quick to cry foul at say pickup which then they can pedal their victimhood but, then we got them watching and reading fifty shades which actually promotes unhealthy sexual behaviors. Of course, if they don't get the ring, they just cry wolf (see the Jhion Ghmeshi court case where women lied under oath before parading out front of a the court for her imaginary hero-cookie). Its pretty toxic. MGTOW can be just as ever bit of toxic the difference being, one is pathological and riddle full of delusion. People care about female validation.

Dude, I strike on the daily. ZERO FUCKS GIVEN. Read David Deida Way of the Superior Man. Its in alignment with MGTOW in Purpose > Women! Still, you put yourself out there. You pursue but most important of all A WOMAN IS NOT YOUR PURPOSE. Cucks/beta/White knights excuse family for not starting their biz, for not living their dream, and pick the path of least resistance. Their women and children feel this weakness and are repulsed by it. Work your way up to three approaches a day. Girl in a coffee shop, grocery store, the gym, bar, club, and everywhere. You rewire yourself to be the sort of man that pursues like a shark in water. This is ones nature. With all this cuck fest PC culture and women are victims nonsense, it pedals more fuckery. As for "failures," you have one dick. You cannot bang them all. It is not humanly possible. Furthermore, all you want to do is sift through the fuckery, and VET A GOOD WOMAN. They are few and far between these days. Most will be single moms, cratered SMV, pissed away youth chasing career woman rubbish, and following the beaten path of society off the cliff. You misunderstood my point on age. If I am 24 and the girl I marry is currently 18, when I am 30, she is 24. My point is that, in all probability, the woman you marry is not legal drinking age meaning, you got to get a few more years under your belt. Ideally, have a dating life worthy of selection. Men propose. Women dispose. Its men they dispose on the surface but, in reality, they are disposing their fertility, aesthetics, and SMV. When players stop calling, it is GAME OVER for her. Yes, cucks and betas will come but, the frequency of playboy and alpha will drop off. For men, there are no alternative ways. You are at a fork in the road. You either step up choosing the path of self-knowledge, approaching women, pursuing "a life worth remembering" as Bruce Said or you can follow the beaten path of society and all that is amateur hour, wait for a mediocre woman to pick you after her best days are over, raise some other man's baby, play homemaker with a woman in her best days who would never give you the time. The latter path is the one most men take. These men then become MGTOWs. Finally, if in the end, you choose MGTOW, so be it. Just put your best foot forward before doing so. Dedicate oneself to that three approaches a day. You'll eventually get to the point, acquiring digits is like nothing. You will get excited and she will flake. You will date and women will ghost. The final bell has yet to be heard. Keep plowing. If you need inspiration, google search: "THIRTY DAY CHALLENGE." Eventually, you begin to date regularly, you have choice, and instead of dating out of scarcity, you pick. You make a active choice. You hear and see the lies of don't judge 'sloot gonna sloot.' Obviously, a woman can spend her best days skiing down cawk mountain and cratering her SMV. You don't got to be the cuck that jumps on the grenade. Change your life. Shift from the paradigm you are in. In the end, you have NOTHING TO LOSE. Please, update me on your journey. Its like being disillusioned; seeing the little man behind the curtain, and realizing that the placeholder society has for most of us is keeping society orderly. Someone needs to allocate resources to these women running wild. I just wont be the man. YOUTH/YOUNG/ATTRACTIVE or no dice.

She has to earn it. In society, women are entitled as fuck, are divas on social media, and then, after cratering SMV, its white picket fence time. Cucks are lining up. Its cowardice. A lot of men have no spines. They set no boundaries and take the shit sandwich life hands them willingly. You don't turn a whore into a house wife. This was common knowledge since the stone age. Men knew this but, with social conditioning, no shame for sloot gonna sloot, men are following women into the abyss. Calling all in and swearing away your resources is ridiculous especially the way most modern western women behave. Ideally, if you were to marry a woman, she best have dedicated her 20s to you without any ambiguity, infidelity, cuckoldry or anything remotely questionable.

Well, obviously, you do not date this. For instance, if I pickup a girl, get a number, add to social media, and I note attention whore behavior/ass pics via IG, and anything alike, she falls into fwb, fuck buddy, one night stand material. Not gf or wifey. Sometimes, there is no winning with these types of girls. You do not allocate sperm/proteins to the crazy, to victimhood, and women that the MILKS GONE BAD/SMV cratered. At 19, you might not be able to be precognitive. I never understood how my parents did it but, they could and would see a bad seed. Now, as time goes on, assuming you continue to date actively rather then passively (Approaching/pursuing/going after women you want vs online dating/swiping/waiting for some woman to pick you), you will see a sequences of similar patterns, behaviors, and red flags you will know to avoid entirely. Red Pill Philosophy did a great video on this you could look up. Women wait for men to propose for dates/marriages/dinners. This is the passive dating role. Men pursuing are in the active dating role. Most cucks and betas wait for one semi decent looking woman to pick them, have children with (assuming, they aren't getting cucked), and it usually doesn't end well. They get cucked, divorced, screwed financially. Now, if you DO EVERYTHING IN YOUR POWER to ACQUIRE A WOMAN OF SUBSTANCE (not just aesthetics and looks) and you fail in your process, you are no worst off then you are now. You can always go MGTOW them. Ideally, why not take the tenants of MGTOW, basically, DEIDA Way of the Superior Man/CORE PURPOSE/Dream/AMBITIONS < cuckoldry/Scarcity, cratered SMV, raising some man's babies? You can fallback as MGTOW. Deida is a spiritual teacher who debunks society, PC Culture, and this beta male cuck provider nonsense. You want to live at your edge. Approach three new girls a day. See what happens. Date. Hookup. Have options. Some girls will flake. Some will ghost (even after sex sometimes). They will hit their late 20s and want to play homemaker when the alphas stop coming. At 19, the likely probability you find the ideal girl now is unlikely. Approach. More likely, the girl you are seeking, is much younger. You hit 25, she is 18. You hit 30, she is 23/24. See what I am saying?

Jesus Christ! Cliff notes mate.

I wish I read your posted before I responded. It would have saved me time. Outfit screams attention whore but, the little cape makes it "conservative" in 2017 (anybody with IQ above 83 knows the difference). As you stated, ZERO knowledge is gained, and nothing original or unique is provided in the least. If she had a disfigurement, a speech impediment, mental retardation, and or something different, the message would be clearer. Its not different then the series of attention whores with IG ass pics or some skanks talking "No Fap" to boost her views/likes on social media. Its the same turd polished and recycled out for our viewing content. I turned it off 30secs into it. I am currently reading "The Mating Mind" by Geoffry Miller. It is easy to spot the BS selling points and click-bait when made aware of mating mind nuances. If she was fat as fuck, slob, and had low IQ, would people have bothered to click the video? Said woman would have lost in the genetic lottery aesthetically and in terms of IQ brain power. Would she then preach this nonsense message of responsibility like every other sheep on the internet with a nonsense motivation video? A good portion of the life is arbitrary. In either event, one must play the hand they're dealt to the best of ones' ability.

Cute video. A lot of teeth whitener, attention whore outfit only masked with her cape top. If it was the 1950s, there would be censorship going on (granted the net was not around). All of these Ecky, Preston Smiles, Infinity Waters-Woo new age hipster horse shit is a joke. If this woman was 900lbs, fat as fuck slob, did not win the genetic lottery, never had a boyfriend or very limited sexual experiences, she would not be giving out this nonsense. Obviously, taking ownership of one's life and responsibility is key. Still, the message for marriage by Tucker Carlson to Helen Smith was that men should and need to take responsibility. Its just a ridiculous message in that circumstances given the divorce stats and the cuck fest parade that is going on. This video is nothing new. You can find a shit ton of the sense sentimental crap online. If these people were born with a facial disfigurement, were paralyzed, had much lower IQ, and lack of sexual ornamentation, they would be the first ones handing in their garage or toaster oven in bathtub.

Great book. Audible offers a 30day trail and one free book. I've read it before. Its worth reading a second time.

Its not that simple as TS has pointed out. If attractive, women act like divas slut around until of course, they hit the wall, the milk goes bad and she starts bulking. Now, its time to get married and extract resources from some beta/cuck provider male.

While I feel for you even though, I have no knowledge of said experience nor have I been through this. In retrospect, is there anything you can say that you missed in these girls that were red flags? Product of a single mom? sloot gonna sloot sexual history? Past of cheating? Liar? Passive aggressive? Feminist? Note, I am not blaming you for shitty women and their poor choices but rather, giving the situation a second glance in order to take something away from a bad experience. To refrain from living it again. Similar to your shitty experiences, I have had quite a bit of shitty experiences especially around your age minus the cheating. I had women ghost me. A gf even ghosted me once in my teens on a special occasion. It was embarrassing for my family to witness. I found pickup shortly afterward. I read the game and I have not looked back. Basically, the experiences cleansed me of my beta male provider genes. I make a stand to CHOOSE rather than, wait for a woman to choose me when PLAYBOYS STOPS CALLING. Similar to the story of 300; I am willing to go out the same way, as a warrior, and in search of self-knowledge. If i die knowing, I did my best, and I did everything in humanly possible within my power to find the sort of woman I could have a family with, I will have no regrets. That is pretty horrible. I am sorry to hear that. I think the quality or lack thereof in women is pretty evident. I concur with the part in bold. I have worked with and known these tyrannical women you speak of. I caution you to refrain from the MGTOW perspective by mistakenly viewing all women as that tyrannical archetype. There is quite a bit of bad seeds and society seems to give women this get out jail free card quite literally. Still, it does not end well in either event. The Gita speaks on the topic of corruption of women: Basically, about corruption of women, race is corrupted, loss of lineage, line, and understanding equates to evil. Society promotes cuckoldry. I believe it means, you will need to work long and hard to 'VET A GOOD WOMAN" as Stefan would say. Where I disagree with him is cold approach; approach an outrageous amount of women, having choice rather then waiting to be chosen, and then, dating from a place of opportunity versus scarcity. There is this assumed given value for having a vagina no matter how disgusting the person maybe. Cries of misogyny and white privilege are suppose to shut down 'call outs' when, it is not an argument. Jordan Peterson recently said in a youtube video that, men are unsure of how to compete with women. Now a days, women are competing with the men for the corner office, are trashing their bodies with booze, and running through men in between kids of out of wedlock. Daddy government and beta male cuck providers are expected to foot the bill when shit pops off. My grade one teacher made me feel stupid when I was asked a mathematics question in front of the class. I would later go onto shy away from math as a student. It became a choir when I actually enjoyed and saw the value of math as a subject. She is a piece of shit human being. Helen Smith wrote the book, "Men on strike" depicting the gross education system and the war on little boys especially in school. I am sorry you went through that. It is disgusting but, a good portion of these women are single moms, feminists, liberal arts and women's studies majors who simply hate little boys. Without a father at home, these boys are treated like their punching bag be it physical, verbal or psychological abuse. It must come to an end. EVERY STEFAN VIDEO ON THE SUBJECT (MGTOW/Truth on sex/Single Moms/MASCULINITY, PICKUP, GENE WARFARE series, etc.) I have watched time and time again. There are a series of problems. A woman can lie about abuse and she gets her victimhood. She can sloot gonna sloot and some cuck will marry her and give her children. There is anti sloot and fat shame when a lot of women should be ashamed of themselves. The silver lining being when the options run dry. Google search: All the single Ladies ATLANTIC: ^^^ Woman late 20s dumps bf to "find herself." Meaning, Skiing down cawk mountain. Present day: 40 + cannot get the ring (milks gone bad and playboys stopped calling). Insert victimhood tangent. With some women, there is no winning be it through sex due to false accusation or its just bad as she is lazy. You cannot show you are a upright man through virtue, values, and character. You can only win by avoiding. If she is bitchy, slutty, entitled, attention whore, etc. You do not pass GO. Keep moving. You do not give crazy access to your sperm or resources. While I agree, it is then all the more important to VET A GOOD WOMAN. Know thyself! Listen to Jordan Peterson youtube videos. Read David Deida "way of the superior man." Have a purpose in this life above all else. Dedicate your life toward that cause. You do not need to avoid women in the process but, MGTOW is correcting in GOING THEIR OWN WAY. IMHO it is sort of a lost cause because it is based upon resentment and hurt. Similarly, your RAS is aimed at not what you want but, at what you do not want. You will always find more of it. Turn on the tv. Look out your window. Swipe on tinder. You will find a lot of it. I wish I could be of more help and give more advice. Then again, Mr Stefan M. has another two decades plus on me and IMHO, he has pointed out the problem which we are both well aware of yet, no solution is given. I wish it were more simpler but, it is not and nothing great ever comes easy. You will have to claw your way out of the mud and vet a good woman. You will need to screen hard. Qualify her. I am not talking purely on physical looks and attraction. I am talking virtues, values, beliefs, character etc. obv not a fatty because it is a indication of poor health and shitty genetics. Attraction is initial. I think the time for marriage is coming to an end until the bar is raised, women are bringing something to the table, and a toxic vagina after years of stds from the bad boys is not okay. Approach. Talk to three girls a day. Get numbers. Repeat. That is 21 approaches in a week. Imagine a year? Convert that to dates? To options. To having a choice. What alternative is there? Wait? Be a cuck. raise some other man's children? Wife up a woman when her best days are over? No. Stefan called dating younger creepy. I agree to disagree. I will always choose younger. I will approach. I will get numbers. I will date. I will pull. Wash/rinse/Repeat until I find my wife. I recommend you do the same but, more importantly, find your core purpose and path in life. Self-knowledge is the way.

One of the best resources I came across was Jordan Peterson's Self Authoring Suite. You go through your paste/present/future. I am still chipping away at it but, in doing so, it definitely lift up some new insights and interesting revelations. I highly recommend.

Like everything and anything, it has its application but, I think there is a lot of hipster haircut quacks pushing some nonsense they know very little about. A perfect example would be the self help industry. A lot these idiots online with their fake white smiles and regurgitating religious text they know nothing about. The same goes for the Tai Lopez character with a rented lambo in a garage and airbnb rental property pushed as being his mansion. Tons of snake oil salesmen out there. I watched Rose KTFO JJ at the last UFC. If you watched the weigh-ins, Rose was saying her mantra/affirmation to herself, and she is now the champ despite being a 10:1 underdog. I think there is some value to positive thinking and affirmations but, all this the Secret jazz and money will just fall out of the sky is absolute nonsense. Like, if you are moving product or you go broke but, you are taking no action to move said product all the while doing nothing but humming a affirmation, it wont end well. I think the mantras/affirmations can help people tap into areas of their brain they do not use. The same can be said of meditation which is scientifically proven to be beneficial.

I have a triple digit IQ and it is still not exactly easy to find a good woman. I think Peter Drucker gives great advice as in, not to throw all eggs in one basket, and to stay in your lane. Read his book, Managing oneself. It is a great book that is pretty short and it helps you in a variety of ways. It begins by asking you what are your strengths? How do you perform? What are my values and where do I belong? What should my contribution be? The book emphasis on feedback analysis to identify strengths. Begin by to write down desired outcomes for decisions and actions made. 9-12months later, reflect back on those outcomes to best work on strengths. Avoid intellectual arrogance. Be humble. Refrain from areas of incompetence. Are you a read or a listener? How do you learn? What sort of man do you see in the mirror? Know thyself. Where can you best succeed? Set SMART (SPECIFIC/MEASURABLE/ACHIEVABLE/REACHABLE/TIMELY) GOALS based upon all of the above. Communicating based upon this knowledge then allows others with in the environment to know how you best succeed.

I like Peterson's harsh but accurate portrayal of the group. Its basically feminism in reverse and while mgtow actually points to several simple truths, most have married a whore, and got fucked by the system. At 19, you can go your own way as in, not get married, date, and go on a quest for self-knowledge. Do yourself a favor and read Way of the superior man. I think the ideal of having a purpose in your life is important because you then have your true north if/when a woman were to leave. A woman is not your purpose. Deida dissects this gender neutral rubbish and just emphasizes on the truth that being, it does not work in a sexual polarizing relationship. I am curious as to why you are contemplating it? Did you experience some sort of traumas with women that would make you refrain from dating? I know a guy that got accused of rape by an ex gf. Of course, there was no charges, police report or jail time but, she gets her victimhood and cucks play captain save a hoe. I think this sort of trauma would be something that could cause a man to look alternatively to a different way of life.

Well, maybe check it out and then see how it corresponds? That would be a great start. You don't understand the topic of bad boys and how the demonizing of masculinity correlates? You cannot comprehend how social conditioning promotes 'sloot gonna sloot' and single mother victimhood. How social conditioning promotes 'put a ring on it' after cratered SMV? Its a means of mitigating sexual market value PERIOD! The allocation of male resources is a means to level the playing field because once a woman has hit the wall, once the MILKS GONE BAD, and BULKING SEASON has kicked off, it is GAME OVER! Daddy government mitigates this with the parade of free money with the use of force. The topic still stands. There is this principle in the mansophere; that 20% of men are sleeping with 80% of the women. IRL, it is much larger then that number. It is so prevalent in our society with tinder, bumble, and online, it pretty much makes marriage a cuck fest in 2017. Until the allocation of male resource ends or more female resources are allocated to women, it is just a terrible investment. Pretty much a one way convo. Nice! You're an idiot/ thread

He backs his arguments with sources similar to FDR/Stefan. He has called out the social sciences in universities as Marxist indoctrination. I think you've missed the mark on this one. If you truly are about destroying the social sciences, link me to your social media and youtube channel. Curious is curious how many if any followers you have?

The pursuit of self-knowledge is a miraculous journey of discovery. I believe you will find more like minded people in the process. How is it coming thus far? IMHO, you seem far too young to be contemplating mgtow.

Basically, the sentiment comes down to an either or though, I don't believe it is black or white. The value marriage brings is mostly for the children. For women, its another opportunity for being an attention whore. I was thinking about making a thread on the topic but, I cannot be bothered. Its pretty apparent the push Hollywood has with cuckoldry. Mainstream shows like Breaking bad, Stranger things, House of cards, HIMYM, Shameless etc. among others push this cuck agenda whereby, female lead cucks male. In many a situations, the male cucked is a protagonist or at the very least, is a main character. It again is a classic example of mitigated crating sexual market value in women. The same goes for the push for 'sloot gonna sloot' don't judge her and promo for single mother victimhood. Promo for anti-fat shaming because obesity is attractive? My eyes are open. There just seems to be so many pit falls and marriage is no fucking joke. It costs money. children are not free. I think I have been conditioned in a K selected environment, and have deemed it to be the way. In the event i was married to a woman who say, was from a R selected environment, did not know her father, and grew up with a mother who was riding the carousel and using men, the outcome would not be good for me. My original process for coming to this forum was to find a solution all the while exploring my consciousness and self-knowledge. I do not see a solution coming here. I was looking at RooshV forum but, after his Black Pill youtube video portraying his life at 38, single, no wife or children; I don't much see a solution coming here. I've looked over some of the posts in that forum and there are quite bit of free thinkers like yourself. With your entrepreneurial lifestyle and genius, I think before you get rich, you are going to want to find a good woman. Outlook not so good thereafter. How would one ever trust a woman unless you hide it for a decade lol

This is my point. This^^^^^ above is that vagueness again. I am curious about your process atm. You want that specific outcome but, what are you doing to acquire that? Tinder/bumble/pof is not the answer. Women are usually fat as fuck and a guy gets cucked and or cat fished. Usually, both. Stefan frowns upon approaching but, there is little alternative but, to hope a woman picks a man. Usually, low hanging fruit unless said male has won the genetic lottery but, due to female hypergamy, women aim up. Not down. So, its again, usually a scenario of low hanging fruit. Not the most ideal. Curious about your process. I've asked quite a few people here. Nobody seems to have an answer or they give some lame answer that women just magically pick them as they stand at the bar like 007 because this is applicable. The only man I know who was able to proceed with this approach was a male model but, again, the women were not pageant winners or models par his equal. Again, hypergamy. For someone 19 contemplating MGTOW, I could only imagine his dating experiences (no diss intended). If we use the NYSE as an example; females have this assumed value by default no matter how shitty a person, lack of free thinking, slutty, and or low IQ. Even pickup is pretty shitty this way. The assumed mentality is that, Everything a woman says or does just justified as is the assumed value especially in a bar. It is interesting that, wanting to fuck precludes assumed value with dating.

I like your posts man though, I find them to be really vague though, well thought out. I think we're on the same page for the most part with respect to the things we are aiming for (wife, children, family, self-knowledge, etc.). My question is, what are you willing (if anything at all) to stake for that? I surrender. If there is a God, some architect of the universe, higher power, deity, the outcome is outside my control. There is that old saying, God helps those who help themselves. I cannot speak for everyone but, I notice most men cling to the first thing that will have them that is semi-decent (take that pc culture). Beyond looks, I have always known that there is so much more to the process, to picking a woman to be one's wife and mother of the children. I am willing to put myself out there, to take on that 'dragon of chaos' that Jordan Peterson speaks of; to walk that tight rope between chaos and order. The old hero myths depict a story of slaying the dragon and bringing peace before landing the princess. I don't see much difference with this archetypal story. Living at one's edge, going into chaos, overcoming one's fears, rejections, time allocated (the most precious asset one has), and leaving it all out there in one's quest for what the heart truly desires. A woman is not a man's purpose. Similar to Napolean Hills' think and grow rich, with that right woman, a man succeeds. Its that synergy. Unfortunately, I have met quite a ton of tyrannical women in my life. I thought it was me but, through my journey of self-knowledge, I have come across a lot of other men that have too. One think I take responsibility for is the women I choose and going forward, I am really aiming to pick based upon substance first before looks since that lasts much longer. I dislike how Stefan knocks the pickup/approaching but, I get it because it beacons more R selected behavior. It is not without consequences nor is waiting for a ideal woman to fall from the sky. Sure, it could happen but, it is few and far between what usually happens in reality. I came to this site because i am in search of 1) self-knowledge 2) exploring my consciousness! 3) to transcend my own suffering (experienced a lot of loss as I shared before). I do want a family of my own. I feel like that sort of synergy would aid me in my prospective pursuits. I ask myself, what would make this life worthy of 'being?' I want to see the world. I want my own biz. I don't care to be the richest stiff in the cemetery however, I want to be mobile anywhere in the world. I want to explore. Ideally, I want that sort of woman in my life before this change takes place otherwise, I would cut off all possibilities. I know many young men who are gone MGTOW, fuck strippers, and tinder/bumble away through pickup. Not for me.