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I agree with just about all this minus absurd amounts of children. Kids don't come cheap. Also, the job market is terrible and the housing market is a nightmare. Younger ALWAYS. PEAK SMV > the MILKS GONE BAD. Are you still seeing that young girl? We see eye to eye on mostly everything though, we differ on kill count. TS at 31 is still young. Assuming he works out, eats healthy, keeps testosterone levels up, and has a decent job, no problem pulling girls much younger. Last couple girls were 22, 23. Most recent 23, 26. Its a lot of work but, again, there is no alternative. I am not adverse to online but, I prefer authentic interactions and the world of tinder is super liberal as well as full of single mother victimhood. Curious as to how you are meeting girls and where?

This is true. I went back with a buddy to two girls' house. One bailed. She had shitty attitude. Likely due to the fact we were all into the hotter friend. We ended up Eiffel towering her same night. Just met her. She would turn to the next guy and tell him, "she is not like that." Some cuck is likely buying her a ring and playing homemaker with. GROSS

This is classic female logic. Location is only relevant because of the west. We're in the same boat. My question is, what are you doing about it? Every podcast by Stefan with respect to gene warfare/truth on sex/Single moms/pua etc I have watched. I know marriage is the way especially for children. I listen to Jordan Peterson as well and he talks about the tragedy of not having children. The west and society promotes career, college debt and bubble, feminism, 'sloot gonna sloot.' daddy government, and of course, marriage as plan B when shit goes south. While I have learned a lot from Stefan, he doesn't provide a solution here, and instead he points the problem. The closest he comes to providing a solution is suggesting not to date a single moms and to wait for the government. He talks about waiting for the state to fail, for daddy government, and the resources to dry up. This is not a solution nor an argument. With respect to women and finding a decent one, I am asking myself the same question. It was why I joined this forum but, nobody has provided any such info. I suspect everyone is as clueless as the rest of us. I will ask you again the same question; what are you doing to find one? I am approaching tons of girls. I am swiping right at life. A lot of men bitch and complain but, they wont approach a single woman ever. Here, Stefan will virtue signal and posture about the morality behind pickup. Waiting for a beautiful woman to fall out of the sky is not reality. More importantly, finding one that is young, and hasn't squandered her SMV is another thing all together. I found Stefan extremely helpful but, he deems dating younger as "creepy." This is not an argument nor helpful. If a man is to give a woman the ring, what is the likelihood she leaves him or divorces him, cucks him if she spent her best years riding the carousel? Inbox me. I can say, I have approached more girls in a week then most have in their entire life. These guys will still bitch and complain despite doing nothing to better their situation. Anyway, if you approach more, you meet, date, and hook up more. More sex. You have choice but, you are constantly sifting through bullshit. Flaky women, bitches, cunts, girl you date ghosting which means, she is fucking her ex or some other guy. When she starts calling you again, its because she got chucked by playboy. You see the worst of the worst. You meet some nice girls. You get options. CHOICE! Still, it is not easy. As you get older, who wants to be at the bar or the club? Who wants to juggle shit tests from a girl who has virtually no life experience but, more kill count then everyone on this forum? Again, what other options is there? I recently picked up a woman who tried to invite herself over. Two others, one in her early 20s. Another in mid 20s. One of which is a party girl. Another is just super young. The more I see female nature, the further away from the idea of marriage I get knowing what it is like out there. By that I mean, thin, young, and attractive equates to skiing down cawk mountain. Playboys stop calling? Its good girl shtick and roping in some beta to raise her bastard children. Many cucks and beta out there who wife up the woman who squandered her SMV, raising the alphas bastard children, and doing so until she leaves to jump back on the carousel again. You reach a point where you can grow numb to rejection and shitty female behavior. You just go approach more girls.

Its a reason as to why it is all the more frustrating. The amount of time, effort, and energy to read those books let alone a few hundred I have gone through the past couple of years. I am currently reading five. I do about one or two a week. Early or mid 20s as in young. 24 is preferable IMHO but, even then, many have pissed away teens and early 20s. Its cool because some beta will still buy her the ring when SMV craters. I agree with you as a guideline. I am probably being rigid. You come across a lot of stupid young girls too which is a given. Not a necessary write off but, there is quite a bit of RED PILL THE SHIT OUT OF HER that is a given. Women have spent decades of government education, social conditioning, and brain washed by feminism. Promo for 'sloot gonna sloot' and single mother victim. No shame no matter how foul, gross, obese, and disgusting she maybe. No matter what, someone will marry her, and raise her bastard children. I think its looked down upon but, its a common theme everywhere not just in the west over here. I hear the UK is not much better off with respect to women initiated divorces. Its as high as 80% of divorce filed by women. Its parade of free money. Daddy government and no fallout. I hope you enjoyed the books and took something away from it. The dating market is ruthless. This promo for being a slob, fat, a slut, and single mom is retarded.

I know several young men in the same job for over a decade, some 15yrs, another 12, and NO RAISE. Despite years of government education, nothing was to be had or gained. Classic example of dead end job. No progression or opportunity for progress unless of course, 1. You are directly related to the powers to be 2. Are friends of the power to be. Again, with ZERO incentive to progress, what do people do? 'Fuck the dog' until quit(ing) time. One of my fears is being in a situation like this, no raise, no bonus or any incentive to step it up. After 17yrs of government education and months of flyering my resume around, I am getting sparse phone calls for job opportunities, all either part time or temporary full time jobs, shit benefits or none what so ever. Even if I had a liquid million dollars cash, I would GTFO, and never look back. What does a million buy a man in this country? A decent size house, car, some clothes, and a day job still. A few kids and a divorce later, he is fucked, and thinking about taking a toaster oven into the bath tub. I am not sure what the solution is but, 30yrs and waiting until retirement is not the answer. Many companies fold, go under, and piss away what was suppose to be the employees retirement fund spent on handouts to the CEOs. These stories keep popping up. I think the push is to be slave, either to government education, then, to get pissed at education as a whole, and to get stuck plugged into the Matrix. Its making people not want to learn and be adverse to education as a whole. Its not education that is the problem. Its the cookie-cutter government education system. For starters, basic cooking, food nutrition, personal financing, and accountant should be MANDATORY but, it is not. Nothing with respect to entrepreneurship, owning a business, and establishing critical thinking among the youth is ever taught. Masses of students are taught to be an employee, to be subservient, and essentially a slave or worse, a beggar. There is no position of power one can pursue once in a position of debt. Furthermore, women are chasing career, are miserable as fuckkkkkk in the workplace, bringing their dramas to the environment, and shaking ass while pussy bombing the men before clinging to victimhood thereafter when not getting the ring. Men don't know how to compete with women as Dr Peterson pointed out. I see the value of education, of learning, self knowledge, and evidence. Still, accumulating debt, begging for handouts in the form of some shitty low paying job, and just being a corporate slave/shill for the next 30yrs is retarded. I am not sure what the solution is here anymore then I am with dating and marriages in the west.

I am in the struggle as well. After 17yrs of government education, I am finding it troublesome to progress past the career position i already have which did not require any piece of credentials. It is a huge piss off because 99% of these people pushing all these requirements are uneducated but, retire, and HR creates a new job qualifications list which prices out most candidates. I am in the process of making some moves. All the info is out there free at the library or online. I am looking to accumulate as much self knowledge as I can and if I require more school then, I will pursue it. Life experience isn't valued because if you are placed on the hamster wheel due to government debt, you cannot argue from a place of power. You cannot negotiate salary. Instead, you are forced to work for whatever salary is offered to you. Beggars cannot be choosers. You can declare bankruptcy on everything from a mortgage, car, visa, line of credit etc. YOU CANNOT DECLARE BANKRUPTCY on A STUDENT LOAN. Its blood money. You're better off applying for any entry level position, interning, and learning on the job. Push a broom or be a personal assistant. Drive your employer everywhere. Acquire the knowledge. Earn your keep. Do whatever it takes to get in. Unless you want to be a doctor, surgeon, dentist, etc. you can learn yourself.

I know many women who are college educated, career women, and all of them would trade it in for being a stay at home mom. They do fear the repercussions from the feminazis they work around. The college bubble is 4:1 female to male. The college bubble is predominantly women. You cannot declare bankruptcy on student loans. Its a perfect way to get dumb asses running on that conveyor belt, for more taxes, for debt, and its unnecessary social conditioning. I would prefer to have a old school woman, stay at home mom, and yet, I would like a woman who is "educated." Then again, government education is a joke in the west now a days. I would rather a woman be a high school grad and educated in self knowledge. An outlier. A woman who contrary to social condition (IE 'sloot gonna sloot') wants to get married, start a family, and has higher ambitions then being a booty call through her 20s. https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2011/11/all-the-single-ladies/308654/ Every man should read that article before considering their current LTR and marriage. Dumps bf to use 20s to "find herself." Translation; social media ass pics, attention whore, and squandered SMV as a booty call when thin, young attractive. She cannot get the ring from the sort of man she wants. Note the paradigm - >>>> pretentious narcissism/diva behavior/attention whore/cawk carousel at SMV peak followed by >>>>> single mother victimhood after hitting the wall. I completely agree with your point and I would prefer the conservative, stay at home mom, old school, and yet ambitious in other ways (sexually, gym goer, avid reader of something with respect to self knowledge versus fifty shades or celeb gossip rubbish). Educated in the sense of valuing self knowledge, family, motherhood, marriage, children, and into exploring her consciousness. There is a dominance hierarchy. People are playing the dating Olympics game. With the promo for no shame for women, 'sloot gonna sloot, and single moms; its a poor attempt at mitigate plummeting SMV. For any free thinker, there is no way of doing this if you follow that path, and the SJWs/Feminism are only fronting to have women's best interest at hand. Women are being cheered off the cliff. Its a means for more screaming liberals, for R selection/prey and spray, larger government, and broken nuclear family. Again, as a man, if I want a family, I must sift through the chaos, tucking my chin, take my blows/rejections/failures, dust myself off, and plow forward. The outcome of marriage, wife, children out weighs the above circumstances. YOUTH IS THE KEY IMHO. I could never articulate it as well as Jordan Peterson but, in his biblical series, he depicted the "potential" of youth. A woman's SMV at youth is potential and a good portion of the population are pissing it away following the beaten path of attention whore and booty call yet, seeking marriage as salvation when the well runs dry. No commentary by anybody arguing "creepy" at this will suffice. Potentiality at youth cannot be denied. Even at 30, a woman dedicated in early 20s, I will let play because I know what she gives in potential there she cannot ever have back. No ambiguity and that girl would get the ring. Needless to say, most men who have invested as much a time as me would have became a MGTOW already lol

While I agree, I think men need to grow up, stop dating crazy, marrying skanks, and LTRs with single moms; raising the alpha male's bastard children after the milk's gone bad. Same woman would never give the man a time a day beforehand but, cucks are jumping on that grenade. Every podcast by FDR/Stefan with respect to MGTOW/Dating/PUA/LTRs/Truth on Sex/Single MOMs/Gene Warfare/Genetic ostracism etc I have listened to and learned a ton of info. Still, Stefan points to the problem, gives rational arguments, stats, data, and is well articulate in doing so. Unfortunately, he DOESN'T PROVIDE A SOLUTION! Instead, he points to not dating single moms which is a given. He illustrates the fallout of female promiscuity and the likelihood of divorce given female crazy and discontentment. A lack of stability and divorce definitely correlate. Again, there is no solution or bullet proof means to navigate female vanity and pretentious narcissism that pervades the western dating pool. He knocks pickup but, provides no alternative means. Arguing to wait for the state to fail, for the parade of free money to go bust, and for WOMEN TO NEED MEN AGAIN is not a SOLUTION. DO NOT WANT THANK YOU VERY MUCH AFTER PLAYBOY STOPS CALLING; AFTER SEXUAL MARKET VALUE HAS CRASHED, AFTER ABORTIONS, STDS/MUTANT-LIKE, YEARS OF BOOTY CALL, AND THE MILK'S GONE BAD! Stefan is a intelligent man. I no doubt suspect he has triple digit IQ. Still, when he dated, Tinder was not around nor the attention whore social media platform. This doesn't negate his wisdom, knowledge, and life experience. I just do not think he comprehends the gluttony of punishment that awaits your average man in the dating market today. So, if someone cannot provide a solution, what is a man to do? I cannot speak for every man alive. From what I witnessed, most betas/white knights/cucks are lining up to the foot the bills after the milk's gone bad; wife up single mother victimhood before she jumps back on that carousel again and shakes said man down for his resources having unleashed the dogs of the state. What I have come to do is approach tons of women 'unattached to the fruits of my labor.' Freedom from outcome plus intent. The desire to get married, have a family, and children out weighs the risk of a series of rejections. I've approached more women in one month then most men have in THEIR ENTIRE LIFE. The pattern is repetitive. Lots of attention whores, lots of 'sloot gonna sloot' with playboys/alphas/sociopaths/psychos followed by female/single mother victimhood. In the process, I date more, more hookups, sex, flings but, it moves me further away from that lifestyle I always thought I would have. A woman I know recently went on a tangent; "I AM DONE WITH MEN. NEVER GETTING MARRIED> I JUST NEED A GOOD LOOKING MAN FOR DICK EVERY NOW AND AGAIN!" *** Same woman posts social media ass pics on the regular like clock work! *** This is the sort of horse shit that pervades the western society and dating pool. Meanwhile, she is running around getting her brains banged out by scum bags and playing victimhood when its all said and done. THE CRASH IS COMING. You don't need to be enlightened to see it or be precognitive to know, this wont end well. Rest assure, some betas/cucks/white knights will still buy her the ring, will get divorced, and be a MGTOW in no time. I ask, what alternative is there but for a man to put himself out on his shield? To take that risk? To leave it all out there. EVERY MAN can mental masturbate how easy it would be if he just approached, broke the ice, and made a pass. Majority of men are wall flowers or need to be drunk in order to find some balls to talk to a beautiful woman. Finally, Stefan as much as I agree with him, he deems dating younger "creepy" which is as much of an argument as a screaming SJW or feminist yelling racist or misogyny. Its not an argument. I think Stefan is blinded by having his daughter. I think there is correlation between marriage, divorce, and a wide age gap. Then again, one way to ween out shady women would be to pursue younger, and value the LTR based upon their commitment without any sort of ambiguity. With that said, the only way I can see myself getting married is with someone young, who could have played the 'sloot gonna sloot' liberal jump off cawk carousel route but, truly wanted to build something more then the beaten path of that leads to victimhood as well as needing daddy government. I am all ears for ideal solutions but, I totally get MGTOW and why many men are taking their ball and going home. The cards are stacked against man. Furthermore, he meets woman at 24, has 6 yrs where she is thin, attractive, and then, bulking season happens after marriage. She gives a blowjob to the random guy at the bar who wont give her the ring but, the many who gave her kids, married her, staked everything on her "isn't in the mood." Gentlemen, marriage is becoming a thing of the past in the west. In my early 20s, I went home with a girl aged 18. I wasn't with her for more then an hour in the bar before going home with her. She gave me head at her place. Something that her husband today doesn't get which makes me question as to why are men bothering with this nonsense? I am 30 and I have dated girls in their early 20s. I feel more in common at about 24-26. Still, I feel ambivalence with respect to marriage even though, I know its holy, its better for the children, and the symbolism behind the unity between the two becoming one. I see the value in as indicated by great minds like Jordan Peterson. I came here for a solution. My mind is solution oriented but, guys, I am definitely at a loss for words with what is socially acceptable. If you guys seen anything mainstream these days, look at the promo for cuckoldry these days (breaking bad, Stranger things, HIMYF, etc). Its just common place for 'sloot gonna sloot' no shame or judgement for poor lifestyle choices and well, its cool because she can still get the ring. Any time a woman ghosts me and then blows up my phone, she jumped off some dude, got dumped/chucked, and is seeking beta male provider. Ego of mine still wants to hookup but, I grow avoid(ant) by my very nature. The fear of getting cucked, of being put on the hook for some girl getting pregnant, "that baby is yours" or just the accidentally on purpose pregnancy that follows women late 20s or early 30s is just common place. No thanks.

Well, if you write a book, why not? If you get super abstract, create a channel, youtube or something else, you did as well but, then again, when a media removes your access lets say, like twitter and Milo, it puts things into perspective as to what one should or shouldn't invest his time in.

He would give you shit if you called in without a time stamp. I intend to do the same for when he calls dating younger as being "creepy." I suspect it has to do with him having a daughter but that is not an argument. If I were to have guessed (and I would need the time stamp to know the context), I would have to give a guess here. I think it has more to do with what people deem as being a right as being subjective versus in actuality objective. Like, having the right to breathe is a right. I also think with the left going full retard with pc culture, gender politics, and virtue signaling, he has lost patience with stupidity.

That isn't working. Attempts to use rational though, debate, argument is screamed down by SJWs, liberals, feminists with screams of racist or misogyny. Its not an argument to steal Stefan's line. Lets shift this into relationships, dating, LTRs. You meet a woman who thinks skiing down cawk mountain, trashing her best years when young, and then, clinging to some cuck to raise her bastard children and or daddy government as an out before divorcing him and unleashing the dogs of the state to extract resources. You cannot reason with female insanity. How does a man combat this vile nonsense? You simply ostracize her. She will march off the cliff with or without you. You abandon ship. You cannot fix crazy. Even with mental health, medication and seeing a shrink is a step in the right direction though, it is not necessarily a fix. Unfortunately, as much as I enjoy Stefan's podcast, he doesn't really provide a solution. For instance, Truth on Sex portrays the dangers of female promiscuity and the high risk for divorce. Truth on Single moms depicts the milks gone bad and some cuck is suppose to dive on a grenade allocating his resources with a woman who couldn't pick a good man beforehand and has a child or two, maybe more out of wedlock. Waiting for the state to fail, for government resources to dry up, and for women to need men again is not an answer. Neither is waiting for WWIII god forbid. If someone puts their hands on you, you put them down PERIOD. I would do everything in my power to avoid the use of force however, if it comes down to me or an predator, they best wear a helmet. Ostracism is extremely effective tactic especially when combating female crazy. I noticed a lot of passive aggressive shit from single moms in the education/school systems. Guys being marked down. Women being put up and the boys being put down. The even more fucked up thing is that, this shit begins with little boys in the school system, and all that is boy/man/masculine is demonized. Little boys are being put on ADHD meds because the teachers don't want to deal with it. I never understood why but, my grade one teacher use to try and make me feel stupid at math. I struggled with math thereafter and it was always like a choir for me doing it. As time went on, I just spent more time at it, and took a different perspective but, people like this should not be around school, and deserve to be ostracized. It was effective in the tribal times. It can be now. If a woman is crazy or someone is a SJW, feminism, ostracism just seems to work. Out of sight. Out of mind.

I listen to Stefan's podcast and I agree with 99% of what he advocates (usually). I disagree with his claim that dating younger is "creepy." If someone gave him a weak claim he would declare it not an argument. I disagree with him here in that, women more my age have spent 20s "finding themselves" which equates to, being a booty call, and IG ass pics, and now, bitter as fuck plus seeking the ring now alphas stop calling. I do agree that a huge gap likely has a correlation with divorce but, that could be based upon 'sloot gonna sloot' history.

Jordan Peterson is awesome. Men are learning to compete with women. I've had women in the workplace or in general shit test me and I draw boundaries pretty fucking fast. Showing spine goes far. I rather go the bully route then the cowardice route. Another thing I see in workplace is, women with the pussy bombs, and when they don't get the ring, its victimhood time plus slander. Men aren't suppose to control crazy women. You let them sink themselves. for instance; you date a woman who is a attention whore. Do you rage or do you end it?

We're all lost souls. We're sinners. We miss the mark. It coincides with our humanity and our genius. Congratulations on coming to this realization. I am several years older then you and let me say, what a nightmare many women are that are more my age. Many spent their 20s as a booty call. Many are now heavy set, years of partying, drugs, drinking, casual sex, and the alphas stopped calling. A woman declared the other day in a crowded shopping center. "I AM DONE WITH MEN> NEVER GETTING MARRIED, JUST NEED A GOOD LOOKING MAN FOR DICK." Same woman has IG ass pics posted online. This is the sort of nonsense that men need to sift through on a regular basis. For starters, avoiding social conditioning, feminism which promotes 'sloot gonna sloot' and single mother victimhood, and then, being bitter as fuck when the options run dry. As a man in his 30s, I am not dating women my age or women with the baby rabies, looking to play homemaker after spending her best days as a one night stand. Men can always date younger. A lot of that which pretends to be their for women like feminism, society, government education actually is cheering women off the cliff. I enjoy Stefan too though, I disagree with some of his points on dating and choosing. I notice a growing amount of men who are just switching off and going MGTOW. Not getting married. It seems like the equivalent of taking your ball and going home. At the same time, I know if I were to commit to a woman, be willing to get married, start a family, she would be young like. Dedicated to reason, self knowledge, and exploring her consciousness. If you are thinking about church, give a look to Jordan Peterson's biblical series on youtube. The way he extrapolates the allegory and reintroduces the substances to these stories is incredible. I think your eyes are opening, you want a better life, and you know the promo for a shameless existence is not an argument nor the ideal way of life. I refrain from IG since 99% of what is on there is female ass pics. It doesn't take a genius to be precognitive and await the ticking time bomb of single mother victimhood that will be blowing up shortly. No man with options and a life wants to raise some other man's babies. Don't feel ashamed or embarrassed. We're all caught up in the same web of crap, social conditioning, society demonizing all that is masculine, and just poison dropping couples. All this pc crap. The race baiting. The SJWs and cutl of victimhood; I think more people are waking up but, a significant portion are reliant on government. I don't think it will change until the parade of free money ends or war happens.

I was laughing at the reality; that being, the difference between sexual harassment and not is liking it. So, basically, one is at the mercy of the cruel or not so cruel (pending on where you landed) genetic lottery. I definitely did not win that game nor did I lose it. I know a guy. He is 4'9 and is middle age. Has not got laid in over a decade. I knew of another guy, 5'2. He was bragging about fucking hookers. #weird Its so true. Like, women typically feminists and SJW will be up in arms over what you said but, what is the truth? I knew a feminist. She has an active tinder account is and is getting married. What a joke? Would rant about female consent and women needing more awareness on their rights. I called her out on being sexist. As if this is to say, women are not intelligent enough to decide whether or not she wants to have sex. Absolute nonsense but, she is a cheat, is in a LTR, and has a tinder account active but, MEN ARE EVIL, PATRIARCHY, VICTIMHOOD. Without victimhood, there would be no self concept for a feminist.

This would be a new direction but, once you are enslaved to the hamster wheel of college debt, you are fucked. Pardon my French but, it enslaves a person and keeps them at financial gun point to keep working. In all likelihood, they are leveraged by the state; CANNOT FIND WORK, becomes Starbucks barista at minimum wage to pay off student loan that they cannot declare bankruptcy on. Entrepreneurship is the way to go. Even some of the more sharper minds are seeing this when they were originally indoctrinated by edu. Jordan Peterson is linking to a site he is founding to out Neo-Marxist-indoctrination. It will literally debunk whether a program has value and merit or if it is absolute fucking nonsense. I cannot wait.

Maybe that is why the forums are so empty these days. Not sure if that is the lack of rightist, high IQ, K selected individuals. I was being messaged by a single mom who was out getting drunk every weekend. Needless to say, I never went and suggested a smarter life choice would be to go home, close her legs, and take care of her daughter. She called me a "hater." #IDON'TWANTTOLIVEONTHISPLANETANYMORE

I think business is one of the better routes to take then 99% of the programs government education offers. I think comp sci, health informatics, trade school, etc. are among the better routes to take. I have even contemplated swapping out to further diversify my skills or finishing with a double major. Still, there is a extreme lack of opportunity following the beaten path. A buddy went the business route and is acquiring monumental experience. Meanwhile, he has a consulting business. The agenda is to acquire a crazy amount of experience, knowledge, and wisdom before breaking free to his own venture. He has made contracts with companies before going from employee to consultant. He is pretty clever. See, I have lacked these sorts of experience the past few years. I have been consistent so, the interview process is always a bit intimidating. I am definitely thinking of acquiring more certificates, more training outside government education, networking, and even looking at what you suggested as well as Mastermind groups in my city. I think there are a lot of negative nancy(s) having 1) tried and failed or 2) Too chicken shit scared to pull the trigger. The end result is to project and shit on everyone else. I don't think it is easy as I am noticing but, pissing away another 30yrs getting other people rich and letting them soak up my blood/sweat/tears is not happening. When hind sight vision is 20/20, everyone would do things differently. The network I acquired from school was next to nothing. I also noticed a lot of people in the corporate and school side trying to shut me down. It was passive aggressive and made difficult but, a lot of flawed logic. It was very subtle and I couldn't comprehend what was going on. Unfortunately, if I had some guidance, someone would have told me to STFU, keep my mouth shut, and keep plugging away. Pick my battles where I must and change what I can. I pissed away these years chasing grades, busting my ass, and I feel like it was a waste. Still, I have it lingering in my mind to return back to school to create a better life for myself. I have watched others do it whereas, it did not go this way for me. It is beyond frustrating but, I am meditating on it, I am sitting in silence, I am working on presence, self knowledge, reason, and I am making moves. When I was in grade one, a female teacher made me feel stupid in math in front of the entire class. I never realized it then but, I would later shy away from math having been made to feel stupid and shamed. Someone like this should never teacher children EVER. As I got older, I learned to give zero FUCKS. I think you are correct man and I appreciate your time. Unfortunately, its not as simple as Tai Lopez, taking video of a lambo and mansion you rented E bragging about how you made it before reality sets in and the conspiracy is debunked. Dude is rich now but when he started spamming this shit, he was couch surfing, and charging 7k for his program. I wont knock it. I just know, there is a lot of people selling how to sell rather then actually having a viable business. Even here, he got pretty lucky but reward favors the bold.

I some how missed this post. I am planning to look into some of this and just as well Mastermind Groups in my city. I've met some entrepreneurs but, I have come across a lot of Snake Oil Salesmen. The "Here in My garage" with rented Lambo and "Here in my mansion" when said mansion is really a rented condo. I would say, 99% of these characters I have mentioned are selling you on how to sell. Outside said piece, they have never sold a damn thing. Others have something going on but will say, they aren't in the how to sell business so, learning from them is nearly useless. One buddy is working for a company before heading off on his own venture having landed huge corporate deals that he can fallback upon as his own endeavors take center stage. I am not put off on education; as in self knowledge, in reading, and in learning. I am put off by the student bubble of government education, running up debt, Marxist indoctrination, and useless degrees/diplomas in fields where no jobs exist or are under paying professions. I see the value in philosophy but, I would never take it as a major outside lets say a general elective course. These course are very interesting and I found a lot of value in modern/classic philosophy. I am just not going to dress up like Buddha or Jesus, and preach. I would agree that there is more value in such a major then lets say liberal arts or an arts degree, social sciences, and women's studies. I see more value in health informatics, comp sci, business, engineering, law, etc. something professional. Sadly, some of my friends are business/accounting and its been a nightmare for them finding jobs let alone getting their designations. One is pursuing online edu through Harvard. Another is pursuing a MBA. I met a girl online who is pursuing a profession but, she has ran up crazy amounts of student loan/debt in pursuit of a "career." She cannot find a man and I have zero interest in footing that sort of bill. Met another girl who is on that same "career" pursuit chasing that gold star of edu while increasing her student loan debt. If a fraction of this sort of money was implemented in entrepreneurship, content creation, business, etc. even if it went south, the experience is monumental rather then, crazy student loan, woman pushing 30, and trying to find herself a man while she works Starbucks to make her minimum payments on her debt. Thanks for the message. Please share the video you were intending to make. I will tune in. If I cannot do this myself, I will look to seek out more edu as an alternative but, I am definitely seeking self knowledge and mentors as of now while I put together a business plan.

Assuming, all things being equal but, this is usually the leftist argument. Equality! Fair. I stop the second I hear these things because its not reality. I have met tons of women the past year or so but, as you said, it is a rarity to come across someone that can converse about something other then SJW, Donald Trump or misogyny. Like, actually has a brain that isn't socially engineered or thinking what they are told to think. Its mostly R selected that are procreating and more infuriating is that, our tax dollars are expected to foot the bill when the chips all fall down. I came here seeking a solution but, I have found nothing outside FDR. I simply don't date single moms or women beyond top form SMV. Not interested in playing white knight when the playboys stop calling. With that said, the hungry don't get fed or get fed enough. If you swipe right lets say on a dating app like tinder, its flooded full of leftist, "proud single mom," a lot of liberal arts and women's study majors, crazy amount of student loans in ridiculous majors. #Idon'tWantToLiveOnThisPlanetAnymore! I am hoping Stefan will return back to Gene Warfare series or content in alignment there because if the stupid continue to procreate, the number of actually K selected intelligent conservative individuals will further be in decline. The future wont be bright. Waiting for the government to run out of money, for the welfare state; single mother victimhood to need men again IS NOT A SOLUTION. Its not. Footing the bills once playboy stops calling isn't the answer either. The only alternative I have found is dating younger, having a LTR with young, red pilling the shit out of her, and only marrying a woman who has dedicated her top form SMV to you. Otherwise, you are expected to raise her bastard children out of wedlock, to foot the bills, and carry her weight (playboys stop calling when her waist increases and the crows feet set in). I wont do it. My genes will be weeded out of existence before settling.

You wut mate? I would wager, the stats in 2017 are far worse, and more not less destructive then it has been in the past. I would like you to provide links to these posts the way Stefan has for Truth on Sex, Truth on Single Moms, Gene Warfare series etc. among a variety of his podcasts/vids. Please provide stats, date, sources, etc. Are you familiar with Helen Smith? Checkout her book Men on Strike. She depicts the TRAIN WRECK following a divorce, why there are men not playing into this game of white picket fence for when SMV craters, and playboy stops calling. More men are waking up to the realities that, there are a ton of unstable women, that they are quick to be both perpetrator and victim; classic female chameleon. Here is another source: So, what this portrays is that, when on top form SMV, its skiing down cawk mountain, its running through the playboys, Eiffel Tower, gangbangs, ONS, FWBs, and when SMV craters, its time to play the good girl act, baby rabies, and white picket fence. I came here for a solution. I can approach an absurd amount of women, I can swipe right on a dating app, and I can go stake my claim in the free market. If I PICK the wrong woman, I AM FUCKED just like the rest of the men in western society so, the question is WHY? I am a huge Stefan fan. I love his podcasts, his philosophy, and his promo for self-knowledge. I agree with his point on promiscuity, on single moms, on gene warfare, the welfare state, and a variety of other vids/podcasts however, I disagree with his "wait for daddy government to fail; for women to need men again" and "creepy" declaration @ men dating younger women. I don't know if its because he has a daughter or what but, he would normally call someone before stating "not an argument." As a man gets older, he enters into SMV top form whereas, women begin to dip or SMV craters all together pending genetics, lifestyle, and a variety of things. I wont be the sort of man who pursues single moms or women past their SMV prime. I don't care to white knight or be captain save a hoe when her best days are over. IT IS NOT HAPPENING! I am pursuing a solution BUT, I am still working on it. The SOLUTION for me is to 1) DATE YOUNGER (IE TOP FORM SMV) 2) RED PILL HE SHIT OUT OF HER 3) Build a foundation while setting boundaries for the LTR whereby, ambiguity/deceit/lying/cheating are grounds for dismissal. I haven't figured it out yet but, I am pursuing an answer and a solution. Until I find this, marriage is not in the realm of possibility and even the "perfect" girl for me would let slip if she pushed it onto me.

I am glad to have seen this thread. I think it is what I needed and a lot of other young people. I feel for those coming up out of high school and having been indoctrinated into this web of student loan college push. As stated before, you cannot declare bankruptcy on a student loan the way you can on just about everything else. A buddy of mine is a business guy and has not had a day job in almost twenty years. He is someone I learn from and he has stated many times that the info is all out there. Unfortunately, many professions require a piece of paper and you are paying to go to work. They tax this and then you got to work where you are taxed again. I really liked the most recent youtube podcasts that Stefan put out about being shut out from the arts and business so, he went into the free market and created those opportunities. Its a great reminder for myself and others.

+ 1 Excellent post. One of the best I have seen in a long time. Ideally, working towards a career that highlights one's talents and skills would be beneficial rather then self-sacrificing. Unfortunately, during a Jordan Peterson video I recently watched, he discussed the push to women for a "career," running up student loans, loans that you cannot declare bankruptcy when the reality sets in that, Liberal Arts or Women's studies and being a SJW wont pay off student loan. Nor will squandering SMV, letting it crater chasing a "career" that doesn't exist when in fact, at a woman's baseline, a significant amount of the female population would much prefer to be a stay at home mother. Said reality sets in once actually going to work and trying to pay off a crazy loan happens. Peterson is correct in saying that, most don't acquire a career but have a job that they wouldn't do if not for the pay. Staking one's claim in the free market sounds great in theory but, it is challenging as a fuck, long hours, and very cut throat. Many of the high paying corporate jobs or even middle class jobs are being outsourced. A buddy with a ton of education and skills got turned down for a job by idiots with not even the fraction of the education he has or the skill sets. I don't think pissing away your life chasing the top of the pyramid in the corporate or business world is ideal for one's happiness, health or personal life especially if you have a LTR or family. If you are going to get throttled for taxes, I fail to see the point of acquiring a crazy high paying job when in fact, you are going to be working 80hr weeks, having a long commute or paying for a over priced piece of property (if not renting). There is a dominance hierarchy. The chase for a career is to win that game coupled with whatever cards you were dealt in the genetic lottery. Its all a big game of monopoly only the stakes are much higher. To answer TS' Q: about career, I think it be more ideal to begin starting your own business venture then chasing a carrot on a string in the form of a better high paying long hour job.

Begin actively seeking work. Beggars can't be choosers. Too much work is bad and too much introspection is even worse IMO. Meditate. If you took a vacation at some point in this 18month to clear your head, seen some of the world, and came back with insight on what to do (similar to the Howard Schultz story), this would be beneficial. This is not the case and with savings running out, you must acquire employment immediately. My father taught me that, if I am ever out of work, my new job was to seek out a job. Treat this task as such. Unmet/untapped potential is meaningless unless you pull the trigger. If you don't know where to begin, maybe knowing what you don't want is a great start. After several jobs, you will learn quickly, what you like, and what you don't like. More importantly, self knowledge goes a long way. Knowing what you are good at goes a long way. You can then put those talents to work for you. As for being 39 and single, approaching nonstop amount of women everywhere all the time is a great way to break this cycle. Tinder is very lefty and full of liberal women seeking a cash cow to raise bastard children. There are the odd gems and good stories but, it is a savage bender of women squandering their SMV. Again, beggars cannot be choosers lol Swipe right. Still, VET A GOOD WOMAN. I know a guy that met the mother of unborn child from there. They are married. It is a one off sort of story since it can be a nightmare. Like, if a woman off tinder told me she was pregnant, I would run for the hills, and request DNA PROOF if she said it was mine. I hate to be negative but, until you acquire employment, only low status women or none will be around at this point. Women love money and if they want children, lets say you bag someone in their late 20s or early 30s, being broke wont get that sexy times. Good luck.

Nice points. I am plagued by this problem. I comprehend MGTOW. I understand it but, I do not resonate with taking my ball and going home. I think this would contradict approaching in the first place or maybe it is ambivalence. Contrary to Stefan's "creepy" definition of dating younger, top form SMV is the answer; date younger when she is young, thin, and attractive. When she has options and still chooses you. If she is not loyal at her best, #DO-NOT-WANT!