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Not argument. It is either moralizing or not? The answer is yes it is. We then go on attack feminism and women for shaming language but, here Stefan chooses to do so with puas, players and playboys. The info could be presented in such a way that the alternative solution is show for a better life for both men and women without the use of shaming language which again is manipulative. I like Stefan but, it is definitely one criticism I have. Unlike you, being a free thinker and not following blindly everything someone says goes a long way.

I really value family. Something I had was very strong ties and both parents married. I am close with my sister. It was something instilled by my parents that when they are gone, at least we have each other (assuming we never marry). The thing I dislike is the push for a family, marriage, and children. The past few years, family has not been so bothersome as I think they finally get it. I may or I may not. I want the nuclear family or I wont bother. I cannot relate. If it is bearable or fixable, I would see it through but, I value family.

+ 1 I think this is one of the only times we saw eye to eye on a subject. I completely agree. I am reading through one of Stefan's many books. It is shedding the light on some of my own contradictions and hypocrisies. For instance, Stefan made a point about if a woman doesn't introduce a man to her family or friends it is deceitful or dishonest. It is likely an indicator of her being ashamed or something. I have made this mistake but, I feel like the need to shield my family until I know someone is legitimate. As for gender roles, traditionalism is shot to death and it is not coming back unless the state/daddy government fails. Then, women will come crawling back to sandwich making and apron wearing. If (god forbid) war or a zombie outbreak, the female chameleon will come out guns blazing; victimhood one sec and perpetrator the next.

I don't think it is just one variable but, what about taking science or technology to the free market and winning?

More so with respect to puas, players, playboys etc. I find him moralizing. You can pick it up in his tone, the demeaning attacks at times, and he gets very up on his high horse. He has openly admit when young, attractive, and a full head of hair, he wasn't as good a person. I like him and I continue to tune into his material because of the way it is helping myself and others. I find him very informative.

Stefan is good but, he has a tendency to get up on his high horse and moralize. Issues especially to do with premarital sex, promiscuity, pua etc. and he kicks off. Then again, he has made mention that he became a better person as he got older and his hair disappeared. The thing is he is correct which makes it all the more important. I just find him condescending at times which is off putting.

+ 1 If anything, it highlights the delusions of the left.

+1 It is awesome to see more and more free thinking women out there unplugged from the Matrix and victimhood.

Hi John, Welcome. I think you have come to the right place. Like you, I am on a journey in life to meet more like minded, freely thinking individuals dedicated to self awareness and self knowledge. It is a tricky process. I talk to everyone, strangers, women, people wherever and whenever. I have made buddies from my work, from my gym, coffee shops, cafes, yoga, martial arts, and even the bar or clubs. I approach girls too. Sometimes, I make a new female friends, maybe someone I can date, and other times, it amounts to nothing. I think removing the "don't talk to strangers" mindset is the first step. Putting yourself out there is another. Also, I began reading new age stuff like Eckhart tolle, Dan Millman, and a variety of others. In the process, I have met people, I have tried new things, explored different venues, places where you would find someone like minded. Unfortunately, as Stefan says about to vet a good woman, you need to constantly do that with friends. I would look at trying new things in 2017. I went to a meetup at a church basement recently for a meditation group. Many people had some traumatic experiences but, they were all pretty cool and I would be open to doing coffee or tea sometime. It is like grade school all over again meeting and interacting with people. I am at age where people are settling down. Friends and family are getting married, engaged, having children or are busy with career or a masters program like mba. Try new things.

I am working on letting go more. Reading Ecky, practice presence, here and now. It definitely is for me what Ecky refers to a pain body. I am at the point where I feel nothing after rejection, after a date disappears or someone goes no contact after sex. My buddy told me it is likely a defensive mechanism after traumas. I don't know. I just try not to dwell. The thing I notice is that, women are gifted victimhood and free reign to wallow in it. If a man calls women on awful behavior, baby killing, infidelity, cuckoldry, he is a whiner, a complainer, not man enough. Even on this board, people have did this which is ironic given that Stefan is affiliated with the manosphere directly or indirectly. Anyway, moving on...! I met a woman in a book shop like you. You just kept getting up and sitting down but in an obnoxious manner. She had a dozen or so books. I couldn't help myself breaching the silence and approaching. We were practically on one another we were that close. She got kicked out of another store where her then boyfriend worked. She was very susceptible to me. She had books most of which I had all read, the subject matter I was familiar with, and I just went with it. I ended up taking her number but, I was very dismissive of her or anything more then banter. She was in a LTR. So, I refrained. I had a similar experience as you with single moms before knowing about Stefan and FDR. I have been guilty as a lot of men for indulging. Many are still attractive though, their sexual market value has plummeted since children cost money, usually ages women after child birth, and the mechanics are not exactly ideal. Strange, prior to learning from Stefan, I found it odd cause, some women are very loose after kids and others not so much. I just had a lot of strange female dates, sexual experiences, and weirdness. Finding kids toys randomly in a girl's place who was young yet thin enough not to be suspicious of it. Tight too. Came over to watch a movie. Never turned it on. Just climb in her bed, fingered, she gave head, and I went home after noticing the children stuff around. Weird me out. I had the girl who recently propositioned me over coffee, started prying about if I had kids or married, relationship status. Disappeared then returned with makeup applied lol Yeah. I have seen misogyny in pickup. All that, "i love you/i hate you," push pull seems to work. I know Stefan hates it and even gets condescending about it likely because he has a daughter. Then again, being beta, being a white knight, paying for dates, and placating to female entitlement has gotten men nowhere. I don't ever manipulate. I approach a lot. I date. I see who I have chemistry with. What scares me is the amount of those married who will participate, will give her number or even suggest something questionable. This scares me at times. If I bang someone in a relationship, a guy could fight or hurt me. If I bang someone unaware she is married, a man could kill me. It is nerve racking. I never knew it was like this. I never knew female nature was capable of this until Stefan, until cold approach, until pickup, and going through the experiences. I sometimes feel like Cypher from Matrix wishing I could go back and get plugged in but, I know there is now going back after being red pilled. I feel like my only hope is to find a NAWALT or to red pill the shit out of a good woman with traditional values.

And another good post. I agree. I think boundaries are monumental to a relationship. I wish I was more aware of that in my teens lol Likely a projection. I have had girls act weird to me after they wanted to have sex. It never made sense to me. Like, one kept going on about her sex toys which was suppose to be her green light indicator for me. I did not bite. After a glass or two of wine, she got loose lips (more then one lol). After she suggested sex, she got weird about things, and later disappeared off my radar completely. Its funny how, we men are still expected to pursue, ask out, and propose despite the nonsense about equality. Not saying women don't. Men get rejected all the time and even with sex in a LTR or marriage. Its just common place. Women are haters if rejected.

I like this post.

One of the most obvious indicators of male and female nature is in homosexual relationships; gay or lesbian. Someone embodies more masculine or feminine characteristics as well as behavior. Its not until recently that there is a push back against the delusions of the left, "gender as a construct." The actual more obvious biological difference not to mention brains and behaviors are apparent. The efficacy of a woman's fallback on traditionalism when daddy government fails is absurd at best. Any man willing to be plan B is just waiting to get cucked. Light that fuse.

You simply could have asked for more not passive aggressive banter and attacks. With that said, the conversation is over.

i don't know if it is real or fake but, the left looks ridiculous now a days and lazy at best so, it really portrays how far gone things have gotten.

No fallout or just plausible deniability.

The use of force is never moral though, neither is manipulation, having a monopoly on sex lets say in a marriage, and access in resources is someone were to stake their claim elsewhere. Its basically a social experiment. Look at the system we are subscribed to be it willingly or against our will.

Maybe it is reading comprehension. The response was the counter balance to male nature. What part of that don't you understand? How else would you like to encapsulate? How about you respond to the question or you can be passive aggressive like a woman. Thank you sir on your well thought out and constructive response. I really appreciate it. I am dedicated to self awareness, self knowledge, and I am working on a solution myself. I admit, despite a lot of approaching, adding value, and seeking out like minded individuals, it is very difficult since most people are plugged into the matrix. As of now, someone suggested reading Stefan's book on relationships. I am nearly 100pages deep. It will be book number two by Stefan that I have read. I use to think that, by associating or meeting women who are "educated," I would increase my chances of finding a good woman to date. Far from the truth or so has been my experience. Instead, it is a one way flow of leftist jargon, liberal arts majors or women studies followed by tangents on women underpaid. It has been show time and time again, women enter careers of lower pay, work not nearly as hard or in as dangerous high paying jobs. There is child bearing not to mention, the fact men will work longer hours, and climb that ladder. If a man knocks on more doors, more doors will open. I can verify that as a fact. The problem of course is, knocking on a lot of doors is very time consuming, not the most practical nor efficient, and most importantly, you don't know what to expect what is behind that door. Again, what is the alternative solution? MGTOW? Take my ball and go home? Or date? Approach a lot. Talk to more people. See who I have chemistry with. One of my critics here is very swift to attack or keyboard warrior it up though, he wanted to celebrate a single mom promoting traditionalism once the free money train comes to a halt. I am not so swift to jump for joy. It is not in her nature specifically nor is it for a lot of women. The parade of free resources and unleashing the dogs of the state is to easy a get out of jail free card in marriage. Practically, guaranteed child custody especially if she makes false abuse claims as women have in the past. Pretty much a case close automatic access to his resources and a free ride before hoping back on carousel 2.0. A lot of young men are scared of this fate. I know I am. What I am coming to as a conclusion is that, a market for success would be a loyal woman dedicating her youth to a man. Dating younger is likely a good start. A woman who is not a product of a broken family is another great marker. In finding someone about self knowledge, self awareness, and that does not base her sense of self on simply how she looks is another marker. Reads something other then Cosmo or teen magazine would be another.

That is not an argument. Either you disliked that or you wished for something else. I really loved your celebration of single moms falling back in line for traditionalism once daddy government fails. #DeadManWalking

If there is the use of force, how can this be neutral? Rape cannot be neutral because there is the use of force the same way unleashing the dogs of the state to extract male resources is far from moral.

Sorry to hear about the ball of paint. How was the event? I love Milo. I feel like he is a troll in winding people up but, I like how factual he is, how intelligent, and brilliant he is in handling flame wars.

I am in a similar place but, with different ideas, experiences, and perspective. I am exposing myself to different people, experiences, and learning. I want to explore mastermind groups and seeking out mentors. Like, you, I think the first step is exploring self knowledge and self awareness. Find different business models, read books, try new things, and field test it until you discover the correct recipe. I believe Edison is one of my favorite mentors and role models. The man failed 10,000x. Sounds sort of like my experience with everything in life from women, money, business, entrepreneurship, school, technology, and a number of other things. Nothing in life has ever come easy and it is very frustrating but, I am like the little engine that could. I keep chanting positive oms and idioms to get me through. Find mastermind groups in your area. Maybe look at reading books that will help you execute. Execution is just about everything. One mentor for me is Elliot Hulse. He talks about being the strongest version of yourself. I am looking to be stronger and healthier. I don't know how so, I seek out role models, and mentors. I offer to assist them in whatever it is they do, and I learn. Its not easy. Einstein failed math at one point in high school I believe it was. Everyone great who ever is or was has failed. I am reminded by that. I heard someone tell Arnold that he is self made upon meeting him. He told the man that he was not self made but stood on the shoulders of titans. He had a ton of help, role models, mentors, teachers, and more that helped him. Do the same. Good luck my friend.

I basically use common sense. It was alternative media that called Brexit and a Trump presidency; sources like Info Wars, Alex Jones, Paul Joseph Watson, Rebel Media, Roger Stone, Stefan Molyneux. Lets go further. It was China media revealing a Trump presidency even before CNN. Read that point one more time.

The counter balance to male nature.

It seems to be the solution Stefan provides; wait for the state and free money barrage to fail. This is not a solution. You see female nature and what is the alternative but to take your ball and go home like MGTOW or to continue to approach and swipe right at girls online or to online date. Still, it is a pool of serial monogamy, of booty call, sluts, whoring around for free resources or jewels, chasing bad boys or social status, men of money, and when it fails, there is the crutch of the state or betas and cucks to fix the issue. I am reading Stefan's book which is shedding the light on things to watchout for such as manipulation and it sheds the light on some of my own contradictions and behavior that can be deemed as unfair. For instance, introducing to friends and family i rarely due until it has proven she is genuine, loyal, honest, ahd on a quest for self awareness/self knowledge. Not an argument. This shows your inability to debate or discuss, even disagree respectfully. You've offered neither a point here or in other discussions. What you did show is that in your opinion, man should jump for joy when women practice traditionalism when the state/daddy government has failed? What difference between that or girl after having children out of wedlock now wants the little beta? Do you advocate single moms and marrying the girl after sexual market value has plummeted? Sir, this is not a victory for men or women. Far from it. I cringe at your thought of victory in the free market if this is what you believe is a win win for men in dating. I gave the Jurassic World example: Don't need a man. Running around in heels and she is the real bad ass. Dinosaurs go fucking nuts and start killing everyone, she then is the damsel in distress, nurturing the children, and making sandwiches. This is not what I am about. It is seriously like trying to find a needle in a haystack. I am not sure your age or your relationship/marital status. It is absolutely a nightmare for young men seeking to settle down. I am grateful for the book Stefan wrote on relationships. He spoke about researching, looking for a car, and buying a car only to want a boat. If you want a gem, a NAWALT, a unicorn, settling for someone outside that value system, virtues, belief system, you and I are doomed to the nightmare of family court/divorce court, and the dogs of the state unleashing on what resources we do have. I am angry at times when I see it. When I see say, you a man, have your life just destroyed, ruined, altered forever, and all in the name of victimhood. I never liked Jion Ghemshi but he got screwed, name ruined, trashed forever, and he will likely never be the same again. I have had women proposition me, stalk me, even threaten me. It can be scary but, there is no room for male victims because nobody gives a damn. I cringe at the thought of any man in the position he was in. What came out was that, women long past sexual market value failed to secure the ring with male pushing fifty, and they raged at him acquiring much younger, better looking women. They wanted revenge, they lied, they colluded, and they got their little victim tangent and pity party through mainstream media. Meanwhile, women do not call them out, ostracize, or even make it a point of how evil this was.