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I haven't been anti immigrant ever in my life, but given the massive influx (particularly here in London) of the past 5 years I'm finding myself somewhat concerned by it all. It really isn't sustainable beyond the last fumes of leftist ideologues. I certainly worry about the possible insurrections that might occur in the future, as these entitled people sweep into the nation. I'm kind of reminded by British Conservative Enoch Powell's 1968 'Rivers of Blood' speech. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rivers_of_Blood_speech#The_speech

You may well be right. I think PUA is a flawed strategy myself (which I've gone over before), other than offering some useful hints on the most basic of self improvement. But perhaps there are a bunch of frustrated K strategists (for want of a better expression) amongst them.

It's worth remembering that the R/K is just a theory. It's merely a way to approach the incentives and knowledge of different groups of people. With the Roosh issue I'm beginning to think (albeit with little processing for now) that the R selected can very easily turn K. It's plausible that you could say that the PUA 'R' approach eventually brought Roosh to his 'K' neo masculine idea. Again, this is just my amateur opinion, since reading Dr Penmans book, 'The Rise and Fall of Civilsiations'. I'm also not suggesting Roosh is onto anything in particular. Just that he seems to be taking a very different direction from his past.

Yeah, this is probably where I differentiate between Roosh himself and many (at least PUA) of those that have followed him over the years. I've seen quite a journey for Roosh. One that seemingly is more than just about getting laid. All his travelling and attempting to understand women I think has mostly been a solo journey for him. An attempt if you'll allow me the cliche, to find himself. The neo masculine approach (albeit flawed imo) does seem remarkably K in my opinion. Definately curious to know what his relationship with his mother was like.

I believe I've seen worse shanty towns in Darfur. If they can't fix a leaking tent by themselves, what hope have they of getting a job.

Gotta say that I was certainly intrigued by Rooshes recent ideas. The man is at least attempting to hold women (and men) to a standard in a sea of white knightery and feminist buffoonery. But I have to agree with you Archimedes, that I have wasted more than enough time on flaky and entitled women. I would much rather go without than try to attempt to convert some woman to reason and evidence. At least not doing so whilst simultaneously having a romantic relationship with her and potentially missing much better elsewhere. As an interesting aside to this discussion, what do people think about Roosh being potentially K selected? Seems kind of bonkers for a supposed pick up artist, but I'm beginning to wonder. What do people think? As an interesting aside to this discussion, what do people think about Roosh being potentially K selected? Seems kind of bonkers for a supposed pick up artist, but I'm beginning to wonder. What do people think?

Roosh might be many things, a misogynist he is not. Pretty dispicable aggressive acts so far served on Roosh by feminists in Canada.

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This is all amatuer theory time on my part. But it really isn't that uncommon amongst young men to at least accept his girlfriend having affairs. Particularly when the relationship has been agreed to keep on hold (or put on ice). I noticed a lot of this among twenties couples, where the woman still had high sexual market value. I think a lot of men in their twenties (in this economic climate) just see it as not having much choice in the matter. That they have no way of really leveling the playing field with their hottie girlfriend, so they accept that she might wonder off now and then. He may hate it even, but keep persuing her for the sex. This can then translate into open or outright polyamorous realtionships for some, as a means to reject the rather unpleasent feelings of your partner bunking up with someone else. Then of course there are men that privately get a kick out of it. Although one wonders what kind of humiliation they must have suffered as child to enjoy such a thing. The fact that a childrens programme producer is developing these ideas is sort of worrying. Although I do wonder to what degree shows like that can actually influence a childs later sexual proclivities in adulthood. I guess it would just be part of the general zeitgeist the child is exposed too. From parenting, schooling, peers and the media.

I agree Austin. We should load him up on coffee and the temptation of a dessert afterwards. I believe the risk of losing a potential (one off) dessert might bring about his best performance.

Yeah didn't reach that far. Tomorrow morning I guess.. Mind you thanks for the heads up. I'll try to look (at the critical moment) otherwise engaged on my commute.

I have to say that listening to Stefan in a recent call in show ribbing Michael about hitting middle age, was so funny I almost laughed out loud on my morning commute. I managed to level it to a huge grin, which was rather embarrassingly spotted by the lady opposite me. Happy belated Birthday anyway Mike!

I think there is an interesting debate to be had about controlled hunting conserving species into the future. However, as the Cecil saga shows us. It's not really about lions, tigers or wildlife really. It's about spewing hatred onto random unknown people. Hatred more than likely that was born out of unprocessed childhood trauma.

The question I might pose this potentially aesthetic question would be, 'compared to what?' But in all seriousness, I think this question is probably more than just aesthetics for you. But only you can confirm that of course.

You know that's so interesting. I've been taking a celibate approach to my life for the last couple of years with MGTOW in mind. During that time I've learn't to try and avoid the abstractions of what happen to other men and concentrate mostly on my own experience. Not to say that that I don't have empathy with those men, because I do. Being aware of the pitfalls of romance is definately useful in this regard. But more importantly I learn't to concentrate on my own needs and reflect on my own desires when it comes to my romantic relationships. Some of that has been seeing myself for what I am (or what I became), which was often quite uncomforting at first, but ultimately helpful for me in overcoming (and understanding) some of the understandable (unprocessed) paranoia that can occur in ones mind when swallowing this particular (MGTOW) red pill. All I can say, is when journalling, keep challenging yourself, particularly when your thoughts make you feel uncomforatble. That disccomfort is actually trying to help you.

I'd say it was a bit of both. More a stream when I didn't have something particular to focus on. It's worth catching yourself when you start to ramble. But it can take a bit of time, if you're just starting out for the first time. Stefans conversations with listeners are useful ways to remind yourself how to remain focused. But rambling is always worth the question, 'why am I rambling?'. What am I avoiding or what would I prefer to focus on. Also the re-listening back to them (soon after) is essential and making some written notes will help improve future audio journals, which are ultimately inner dialogues. They will teach you (if you persist) how to eventually remain focused (become present) in the moment, which is kind of the goal of journalling.

I always swore by audio journalling and did it for years.. Which is why people think I'm some grumpy old git that walks around his neighbourhood mumbling to himself.. I joke of course. I think it's a marvellous way to connect with yourself. I particularly enjoyed relistening to my recording an hour or so later during my commute, in which I would jot down a thing or two I learn't about myself. All good.

"It will also destroy the hated nuclear family with its paternalism, sexism, ageism (yes, for pedophiles, that is a thing) and all other “isms.” If enough children are sexualized young enough, gayness will suddenly be “normal” and accepted by everyone, and the old fashioned notions about fidelity will vanish." It has been said that there is a darker leftist agenda out to destroy the family. And what could be more destructive than having multiple sex partners of either sex and with children too. The nuclear family of course has been the major linchpin to helping us into the industrial age. So the charge of cultural Marxism is a reasonable one I think. I'm not sure what any of this has to do with being gay. There are radical leftist homosexuals for sure. Some of whom might hold the delusion that all straight men and women are secretly gay. I know when I became the object of desire for some homosexual men, they would often attempt to insist that I was gay myself. Kind of bonkers of them, when I look back on it now.

Nah, that would be your kind of anarchism.

At the risk of using an anarchist cliche. But who would build the roads wdiaz, if such a score were possible.

Privilege is such a nebulous critique when you examine it more closely. I mean even within white culture there are varying degrees of more or less privilege. My father came from a working class background, where his father used to deliver coal to peoples houses in east London. My mother came from a slightly higher working class family where her father was a skilled metalsmith. My mothers first job was as a teacher and her first months pay packet was exactly the same as her fathers, £50. My father became the Brussells (Europe) representative for British Rail and eventually went on to be a port operations manager for a large ferry company. This afforded them the privilege of sending both their sons to private school, where we got to hang out with millionaire kids whose families had yachts, Rolls Royces and posh Knightsbridge (London) addresses. I even knew Black families that were richer than I could have ever imagined, who shared as much privilege with many upper middle class white people. Privilege changes with age too. So you have young beautiful women in their 20's riding off their good looks, only for them to fade over time. And then you have men that reach their mid 30's that suddenly find women droping at their feet, after they recieve a significant income boost after a decade or more of building their careers. Checking ones privilege comes from the same absurd notion of 'equality'. It's just another mythical leftist utopian ideal that has no hope of ever materialising. But can be continually pounded into our psyches as something to either be angry about or to self flagellate ourselves for. It's frankly a morbidly depressing outlook to have on ones life, for those that take it seriously. I'm beginning to feel that notions of class (privilege) have enormous benefits for society. They give people a goal to reach for. Something they can strive for on their own merit and hard work. It also has a civilsing effect on people too. Millennial Woes has an interesting and compelling perspective on privilege.

Yeah I took the test a few weeks ago. I think it's probably the best of a bad bunch. But I agree with the WasatchMan that it has a bias towards left libertarianism. Which is why Sargon of Akaad probably took it recently, in a desperate plea to prove he was a leftist, rather than a conservative. It's questions like this that don't help: "I'd always support my country, whether it was right or wrong." I mean in a stateless world, I guess you could replace 'country' with 'tribe' perhaps. But it still doesn't really help. You either end up answering on principle (if you can) or pragmatically from a perspective of the world we actually inhabit. It's a terribly uninteresting question to answer for an anarchist, because it assumes that in either case we are good with the idea of a 'country' in the first place. All said mind, it's still rather fun to take. And I enjoy annoying some of my leftist friends by showing I'm not that far removed from them on the political spectrum.

Yes, looking at this situation from afar philosophically, it would seem you have placed yourself between a rock and a hard place. Essentially your job is to manage these children in an enviroment of their parents choice. This in all liklihood will conflict with many of the wishes and desires of the children themselves. So logically speaking I think some acting up from some of the children is to be expected. My only suggestion would be to try and communicate personally with those chidren to see whether you can meet some of their needs. Also ask them what part of summer camp do they least enjoy and why. In so doing as to make their experience of summer camp as enjoyable as possible for them, but empathising with them that they might be finding themselves in an enviroment not of their choice. Approaching this problem as a discipline one is too miss the disparity the child can feel in such an enviroment.