_LiveFree_

Everybody takes a stinky gooey shit everyday. No way around being just human, no matter what you do.

4 billion women on the planet and only 3 billion men. Odds are in your favor. Play the odds, go for quality. If you are superficial with women then you will attract women who will be superficial with you. (Also, you'll drive away the good women who are looking for more. A woman knows if you're being superficial long before she can probably articulate it.) As said before, life is too short. A woman who can blow your mind (and who's mind is blown by you) will never be short on words that form interesting ideas for you to chew on.

Anytime, Morse. I got your back dude.

Wow! Awesome work. i want one

Well this sealed it for me. The Venus Project is a religion. Thanks FH.

That massive weight holding you down is your past, your childhood. Like a massive iron ball tethered to your ankle, it is keeping you from getting out of the ocean. The farther you try to go the further the ball rolls into deeper regions. But that tether is only so long. Eventually, you'll be completely underwater and unable to breathe or survive. Stop focusing on what you think you should be doing and focus on releasing that tether. Trees need space to grow. Right now, you have no space within your mind to grow. Do not mistake intellectual achievement as growth. When you are free of your past, your future will unfold as it should, or in the best way it can. If you haven't already, read this book. http://www.amazon.com/Emotional-Intelligence-Matter-More-Than/dp/055338371X/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1385255083&sr=8-1&keywords=emotional+intelligence How often in therapy did your childhood and relationship to your parents come up? Do you avoid these topics?

For someone to abuse you, they must first abuse themselves. To tell this person 'no' is the greatest act of compassion because it interrupts their pattern of abuse. And although the abusive person is 100% responsible for their actions, there is a sadistic streak in the abused who continue to allow the abuse to continue. When you continue to engage with someone who has repeatedly demonstrated abusive behavior and is unwilling to alter this behavior, you are lacking compassion for not only the abuser but also, and more importantly, yourself. Stef said something on Wednesday's call in show about how his daughter was fascinated by Peter Joseph because of the language he used in response to Stef's response to the debate. She had never encountered that before. It made me realize how early and normalized abusive conflict was for me at a very young age. I bet it's ingrained in all of us that we have to tolerate this type of junk in order to survive. Imagine a world where someone used abusive language and was looked upon with utter fascination by all of those around; as if he had sprouted 6 arms out of his back.

Wow. I am so sorry you had to go through this. I mean, damn. Is forgiveness a goal for you? Do you see forgiveness as a way to have a relationship with your father again?

Walk on water? Pffft. These guys ran on water. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0cgnd2hk1e0 Still an atheist. But I believe in Hi-Tec water resistant running shoes!!! aaawwwwwww, it's fake. Back to church for me....

Give a history of how you've interacted with both kids, how you've "disciplined" them, how much time is spent with them, etc.

Ok, man. Consider me done. Welcome to Trollville.

I see. This is yet another sock puppet account of STer (which is probably not your original account either.) I really wish you'd delete all of your sock puppets and create one account with your real name and a picture of yourself. If you really have important info to share, then put up or shut up. Stop hiding behind the internet. Show me you have the balls to stand behind what you're saying. Right now, all you look like is a lonely troll. Unless your goal is to piss off people here, you'll never change anyone's mind. I STILL don't think you're a troll, after all the mess you've posted. You'd get a much better response if you changed up the tactics you've been using here. I sincerely mean this. I'd really like to see you become the resident Zeitgeister as opposed to "remember that one troll with all the accounts that showed up after the Pete vs Stef debate?" Pull up a chair, make yourself at home. Challenge the living shit out of all of us! Just do it in an honorable manner. (This is just my opinion. You obviously don't have to do what I say. But if you are sincere in your efforts, and I believe that you are, you'll find a much better response this way.)

http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLC1647D7F937DDE7A

Oh come on, 2 little bullet points? Your life completely changed directions and you give 2 bullet points. The amount of words you've written in 42 posts is astounding, but I ask you about a life changing occurrence and you write 2 bullet points. This is the kind of stuff I don't understand. Your experience is far more interesting than anything you've written prior. Yet you keep avoiding it. Why?

You're still not getting it. That's ok. What would really be interesting to know is how Peter Joseph's work changed the direction of your life. That is a post I'd really want to read.

Ok, who gives a crap what Stefan Molyneux says just because he says it???You obviously have not listened to the podcasts. If you had, you would have heard many podcasts where long term listeners and supporters disagree (and even argue! *for shame!!*) with the Dream Crushing Big Chatty Forehead of DOOOOOOOOOOOOM!Stef has spent decades working out the logic he presents here. To accept the ideas that he puts forth as gospel would be a major giant middle finger *F--- YOU* right to Stef's face.Make no mistake about it, the people you are conversing with are not blind automatons parroting some bald guy's ideas on an obscure corner of the interwebs. We have put into practice in our own lives the non-aggression principle and dealing with ourselves and our relationships with that same moral consistency. It is extremely difficult, but everyone who has a donator status, I guarantee you, donated because they felt grateful for the positive changes in their lives.You may think you're arguing against just Stefbot and some lowly minions, but in reality, Stef isn't even here. You're arguing against Nathan, Mike F., Kevin, PT, Heath, tasmlab, TheRobin, Muffles (i giggle), LovePrevails, Think Free, and xelent. Everyone of us knows what's really going on here and with you. If you really want to talk with Stef, stop wasting your time with us and go do it. It's not like he's a rock star. He's a self-employed philosopher with a podcast...and a forehead.How many areas of your life do you just argue back and forth without ever doing anything? I know of two already; putting RBE into practice and talking with Stef. Arguing is easy (especially on the internet). Taking action is scary because it means things will change. It means you might fail. You cannot social engineer on top of dysfunction. It's building your house on sand. Before I came across FDR, I believed that there was a roll for government. After FDR, I realized I was just scared of my father. I finally let my guard down and watched as he completely walked all over me. It was easy then to walk away from him forever. I was expecting to have do the same thing with my mother. As it turns out, being completely open and vulnerable with her has allowed our relationship to strengthen and grow in a healthy manner. I've also been able to break the cycle of unhealthy patterns in romantic relationships. The point is, I was not free. And because deep down I knew this, I was always trying to fix the world of its dysfunction instead of facing my own. The world cannot be saved through societal reorganization. It can be saved if you face your past and walk right towards it completely unshielded. The world is a mess because individuals are a mess. If i take a filthy car and reorganize where all the parts go and make a very different looking car, it's still going to be made of filthy parts. But, if I take the time to do the painful and grinding work of removing every spec of dirt, then that car will eventually shine. No rebuilding necessary. Not only that, but it will run much more efficiently and smoothly because there won't be any dirt clogging the works. RBE is a distraction from the work you really want to be doing. Saving the world is not about intellectualism, genius, right or wrong, or the "best plan". It is about courage and doing what you already know you need to do. You have a small 10 foot radius around you were you can change this world for the better. Make that shine before telling others the best way to do things. The greatest argument against anything Peter Joseph says is his tragically obvious self-hatred.

Whatever you do, don't just stop taking it cold turkey. That can be catastrophic. Talk to a doctor or psychiatrist (preferably the one that got you started on it) and get on a schedule to come off of it gradually. I think the goal of being completely meds free is a good one. Always always always talk to your doc first.

The "Philosopher King" tag means he has subscribed to FDR at $50/month, or has donated $500 or more in the past year. In other words, he's put his money where his mouth is. Which by the way, you have not. Yet you want to strut in here with 20 posts and start complaining how the board needs to be changed. I recommend podcast 0 for you, sir. http://cdn.media.freedomainradio.com/feed/FDR_podcast_zero.mp3

Trade being peaceful, voluntary, and that it raises humankind out of poverty is not a "notion". It is a fact. And a very simple one to grasp. I don't understand how you miss it. The next part doesn't make a lick of sense to me, whatsoever. I can't even comprehend what you're trying to say. I'd love for you to make a numbered "cause and effect" list and show me exactly how freely exchanging things leads to violence. Oh my, what a heap of nonsense this is. Here is why. . . It is impossible to do anything for free except die. Movement itself requires energy; energy that must be acquired from somewhere else and then transformed. To extract raw materials from the earth takes quite a bit of energy whether you are doing it manually, or with large machines (the latter being far more efficient). When you are extracting manually, it requires time and calories. Time is what you bought by working earlier, calories are energy that you transformed from eating plants or other working animals. Nothing in life is free except death. There is no way around this, it is simply a fact of existence. Infants believe that things are free because all they see are their parents magically providing for all of their needs. Adults and bugs and birds and fish understand that if you need something, you have to expend labor to get it. "Treat nature as part of the economy"....goodness. Human beings are a part of nature! "Economy" is a word to describe human interaction. That means "Economy" is used to describe how one part of nature interacts with itself. Now if you're talking about polluting and stripping resources bare, then you need look no further than governments. It makes no sense in a free market system to strip your owned resources bare. You want a constant renewable source of resources so you can maintain a constant flow of income. Only when governments move in do resources get stripped and pollution runs rampant. You're talking like "Nature" is some type of personified thing. It is in no way a person. "Nature" is a word to describe "the universe", but in a more local sense. You say we come from nature and actually are nature, but then speak as if we're separate. If you think ownership doesn't exist in nature, go try and take a freshly killed gazelle from a lion. Or even a piece of steak from a hungry dog. Ownership absolutely exists, the difference being that humans have figured out how to maintain ownership peacefully. "Our goals are one..." what does that even mean? Nature doesn't own anything because "Nature" isn't a conscious being. It is a word used to describe our local environment in the universe. Appeal to authority fallacy. Either you can explain your point or you can't. Here, you've shown that you cannot. "The market" is a word we use to describe the concept of the play of voluntary human interaction. In other words, what people peaceably do is the market. The only way to destroy the market is to destroy all people. (which is what I would argue TVP wants to do anyway) "The most profitable behavior is to sell the most superficial of solutions at the highest of prices." You simply have no idea what you're talking about. This is an emotional argument wrapped up in intellectual jargon. The most profitable behavior is WIN-WIN. What you described is WIN-LOSE and, therefore, unsustainable. Anyone who engages in WIN-LOSE interactions will be unable to maintain that behavior for very long because people will recognize that by engaging this person they can only lose. Therefore, they will find someone who engages in WIN-WIN interactions. (For instance, if FDR charged a fee to post on their message board, and then severely limited your daily posting count, that would be a WIN-LOSE situation. Why? Because posting is so incredibly cheap. FDR would make money at first, but then not enough people would post, which would discourage others from joining in. What's the point of paying a fee to have a conversation that is very limited? WIN-WIN is when it's free to sign up and post, and then those who find value donate to maintain the board.) This is a real world example of an instance of a free market interaction that is WIN-WIN. Here is another example of WIN-WIN. For $100/month I get to use a phone that can call any other phone in the United States at any time and talk for as long as I want. I also get to use this same phone to surf the web for as long as I want. A short way to say this is "I'm paying $100/month for phone service." A long way to say this is "I'm paying $100/month for my phone company to maintain a nationwide grid of cell phone towers, technicians, customer service reps, and freaking satellites they launched into orbit to make it all work." You know, $100/month ain't bad at all. They win because they get my money, I win because I get a phone. Not only that, but when I started my service I got my phone for free. And then after 2 years, I got a brand new phone for free. Those sons of bitches!! Once, I ordered a pizza from Papa Johns. They took 2 hours to get to me. When the driver arrived my pizza was only a bit warm. If I had taken the pizza it would have been a WIN-LOSE. They would have still got my money, but my food would have been not good at all. But seeing that WIN-LOSE coming, I told the driver no thank you, I called the store and said I wanted a refund, and I got my refund. I rejected a WIN-LOSE and turned it into a WIN-WIN when I ordered from Domino's and got a piping hot pizza in 25 minutes. My real world examples trump, nay, completely demolish your appeal to authority-ness, completely irrational, and meanderingly meaningless logic abortions. Cartels can only exist through institutionalized violence (a.k.a. governments). In a free society, there are no cartels because there is always free competition. A cartel is only profitable with the protection of the state. No we aren't! Time, nature, and our bodies commit violence against us??? If I have ever heard someone so outrightly and with the loudest voice proclaim "I WAS ABUSED AS A CHILD!!", it's with this statement right here. Time is abusive = parental neglectNature is abusive = unsafe environment at home. No privacy.Bodies are abusive = you were physically abused (i.e. your body was used against you) (I am so very sorry you experienced these things. I experienced them, too. Being neglected had the most negatively profound effect on me. If you would ever like to chat about what happened, pm me anytime.) It is <<NOT THE NATURAL STATE OF A HUMAN BEING>> to feel abused by themselves and their environment! Why is this so important?? Because abused people who think they can save the world end up murdering millions! Save yourself! Leave the rest of us the hell alone! Here is a contradiction you just made. In your first post, you said that extracting resources from Earth was free. But here you say that people can pay a high price when "under coercion" from hunger. As far as I know, extracting resources from the Earth makes a person VERY hungry! Therefore, by your own definition of violence, it is impossible to get anything for free. Here you continue on with the win-lose hubbub. Again, this logic fail is not because you lack smarts. You're very intelligent. But if you think the whole world operates on WIN-LOSE interactions, you're still seeing the world through the eyes of your abused child self. Until you've decided to save yourself, it is almost impossible for you to see the world as it is, and not how it was for you when you were horribly mistreated. You're right. TVP way is not perfect. But you're wrong in that it's better. What you've just described has been tried except without all the silliness of an "algorithm" to solve all our problems. An algorithm which does not exist, btw. Let me tell you something I know for a 100% fact. As soon as someone comes along and says that they have figured out how to save me, that I just have to buy into their "plan", I know I've met a complete loony toon. There is absolutely NO WAY you know what's best for me. This is the FUNDAMENTAL difference between TVP and anarcho-capitalism. TVP pretends to be able to solve all of my material needs, but EVEN I DON'T KNOW what all of my material needs will be. Nor do I know how they will change. TVP is no different than a government. We have the largest, wealthiest, most technologically advanced government in the history of the world and it can't even make a $600 million dollar website work properly. If you really want to prove that TVP works, go set up somewhere and show us all that we're wrong. An-caps have example after example to show freedom works. All of the "problems" you have with anarcho-capitalism are not inherent in the market and only exist through government. The fact that you haven't faced the abuse your parents so unjustly heaped upon you means that you are unlikely to see this, though. You have justified anger, but you're pointing it in the wrong direction. Put down the philosophy of social organization before you hurt yourself and others.

Morse, you're still keeping your foot in both camps (virtue, and fulfilling unmet emotional needs). Get off the goddamn fence and be done with it. Nathan

There is no intimacy here. No friendship. You don't even exist for him. He's playing out his dysfunction on you, just like he does with all of those girls. You already have the answer. Why waste anymore energy on this? People don't "owe" apologies, explanations, or whatever. They either give or don't. This part of you that wants to keep this situation going....don't act on it, but do explore it. Find out why it wants you to remain attached to people who need to manage their emotions by using you, and vice versa.

First off, thanks for this thread!! 'Tis gonna be phun! Wow. I think the only thing you got right was the angry look on Peter's face. Lemme take a crack at rewriting the first one... PJ: So, Stefan, what do capitalists do with resources that they extract from Earth? SM: They refine them into usable products and then sell those products to manufactures who then produce usable goods. The manufacturers sell their products to distributors, who sell to stores, who sell to the end user. It's an interconnected web of peaceful voluntary trade that raises humankind out of dirt dwelling poverty. PJ: Does that mean you steal from Earth and never pay back the price plus interest? SM: ....wait. What? PJ: Thanks for clearing that up. I think I created some resources that were parked in your garage last night. It was difficult breaking in there, so I suppose it's OK with you. SM: Tell me about your father, Pete. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Ok, that was way too fun not to do the 2nd one, too! SM: So, Peter, was I able to convince you that a free market is the only morally good economic option? PJ: Your words are violence. SM: ....wait, what? PJ: I've got to sell my kids' house chores bonds on the stock market, change some coins for my home washing machine, . . . PJ: ...and pay sex bills to my wife. SM: Tell me about your mom, Pete. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Oh my! I chuckle like a fat bastard. PJ: What's happened to you? (notice how SM is about to die, and PJ isn't all that worked up) SM: Dude! I exposed taxation as theft and the statist mafia threw me to the sharks! I'm drowning! Will you help me?! PJ: So your problem is breathing scarcity. If you want oxygen from my suit, that will be $9.95 per minute. (still not worked up he's watching a human being die.) SM: But the water is killing me! Why don't you help!? PJ: Stefan taught me (talking like SM isn't even there), water isn't a person, it can't initiate violence against you. BTW, there's no way I'd destroy a perfectly good oxygen market. SM: But I am a person and you're committing great evil by passively aggressively murdering me. Since you're not going to help me, go listen to podcast 308 "Projecting Torture". Then, since I'll be dead, if you have any questions, go talk with my 4 year old daughter. She'll be able to answer all of your questions. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ I can't stop. I'm enjoying this too much. SM: Price is the indicator of how much energy it takes to deliver a good to the market. One sentence. You get it yet? PJ: Eh, wonderful. I didn't understand Economics 101 until now. So, is the free market really free? SM: By free, we mean free of coercive violence. PF: Wow, that sounds really "free". SM: Yes, it does. PJ: .........my mom was passive aggressive with me. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- interlude SM: What if 100 million people want cell phones, but there are only enough resources to produce 80 million? PJ: Are you F-ing kidding me? SM: ...No. PJ: So what if everyone in a free market decided they want a cell phone? SM: Competition drives the quality up and the price down. What used to cost $10,000 you can now get for $20. No elusive no-where-to-be-found algorithm required! PJ: ....but, DENIAL OF PRINCIPLE CONTINUUM!!

I really like this movie. Eastern mysticism aside, it is all about morality and how the choices we make affect our lives and others. You're so right, suomipoi, that the major changes in the characters' lives came about by an awakening as opposed to a logical thought process. What's really fascinating to me is how some characters' lives changed for the worse because they were unable to break free of their thinking. I think this is why actually using logic is so powerful. We no longer need to wait for that defining moment to adjust how we live. Interesting how a story with so much Eastern mysticism would leave out the meditative path. But I guess a guy/girl sitting not doing anything wouldn't sell to a Western audience! Excellent recommendation, suimipoi!

Stef did an interview with Dr. Faye Snyderhttp://www.drfayesnyder.com/http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3MrVq-3UviYShe wrote a book called "The Manual".

Well if EVERYBODY is capable of evil, then you still can't create a monopoly on the initiation of force, because EVERYONE who uses it will at some point use it for evil purposes. But it is not a false dichotomy since 4% of the population of America are sociopaths (about 12 million people). Hitler loved his dogs and was married. Oh, and he really loved children, too. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xarv7Pl4YXs "No one is 100% good or evil." Yes, technically that is true. Though, there is a line that is crossed which can't be undone. I deFoo'd from my father because he was constantly verbally abusive and controlling. I'll never see him again because of the evil he chose to enact upon me. But I have a cousin who said that my dad helped him completely turn his life around and swears up and down that my dad is a really good man. If you hand my dad power over millions of people via the murder machine called the army, with which side of him do you think that is going to resonate? In a totally free society, "the bad" will shrivel and die. It will be unproductive and unable to sustain itself, because people only want what is good. They will search out what is good and leave the bad behind. A totally free society is like an aggressive boot camp detox diet for the world's colon.