Markus FIN
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Thank you for your contribution to this thread! Bitcoin is a good example of a way to get rid of F.I.A.T. currencies that manipulate the market and create poverty and uncontrollable spending... :)Markus FIN
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Hmm... That is a good point. It just seems more "believable" to me because there HAS been Minarchist societies in history but I there is yet to be an Anarchist one. I know that Minarchism works IF the state is not allowed to grow out of proportions, but I am yet to see Anarchism in action. To be able to witness it work in real life would mean achieving the Utopia for me, but that is also what makes me nervous. I fully understand that the state as a concept is immoral, but I just want to be sure that this is the right alternative. Communists believed in their ideologie blindly and it worked great on paper, but when put to practice it lead to a slaughter. And that is what frightens me... I don't want Libertarianism to fail horribly and be remembered as another failed attempt to create an Utopia. :(Markus FIN EXCACTLY! Thank you A LOT for this clarification! I was already able to piss off some more famous FreeDomain Radio members because I kept trying to explain this to them. I agree with you on this 100% and I really hope you will be there Sunday 22.6. when I am going put this on the table with big S himself! ;)Markus FIN Not yet it is 22.6. so it is still a while, but I am already getting SO excited! :3
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I am kind of an Agnostic type of person when it comes to Anarchism and Minarchism. On the other hand I see the state as an immoral way to set up a society, but there still isn't enough evidence to support that Anarchism works in practice. Like all "extreme" ideologies, Anarchism might not work as well in practice as it does in theory. That is why I want to keep the option of Minarchism open in case Anarchism doesn't work.Also I agree the example that you made with slavery, because as we know slavery still hasn't ended everywhere in the world, even though it was dramatically put to end in the USA.PS: Thank you for commenting and sharing your ideas! :)Markus FIN Well it's good that this topic was useful at least in some way, thank you for responding! :)Markus FIN Yes I do see change as risky and scary, you actually put that nicely in a single sentence. I have just seen too many bad examples in history about trying the change the world in a flash while following an ideologie (Fascism, Communism), to be able to have 100% faith on Libertarianism.If complete freedom (Anarchism) can be made to work in practice, then YES we should end the government completely. We just need to go slowly and try it in PRACTICE because we don't fully know what can happen. I am just trying to sum it up in a single sentence..."I completely agree and support Anarchism, but I don't believe in it blindly."Does that make any sense to you? That is kind of the whole idea in a nutshell. I believe in facts, not ideologies. Ideologies are not facts as they are mostly theoretical and work under certain conditions. So an ideologie to me is a question of faith and I am not sure if I have seen enough evidence yet.Markus FIN
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Also saying that somehow a worldwide NAP could limit agressive human behaviour is just as ludircous. Both ideas have horrible risks involved...PS: Thank you for taking time discussing about this. Seeya in some other topic! :)Markus FIN
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If slavery had been ended in one single flash all around the world it would have most likely ended up in a bloodbath. A peaceful transaction is always better and it would be the same thing with slavery. Of course people can dream about the happy ending that follows when all the slaves are freed at once, but after the rush to freedom things would get out of hand...PS: Thank you all for these nice and rational comments, I really enjoy reading and answering them! :)Markus FIN So what you are saying there is no half-way... You are either a full Anarchist or you are an evil rotten Statist. To me that seems a bit too black and white. :/Markus FIN Sorry for not adressing those two questions immediately. The people are not the government, but they choose from their presence those who they want to be the government. So if a government is evil the people have the full power to get rid of them in the next election.The reason I can't join a KKK and change their ways is the same reason I can't join FreeDomain Radio and make all of you Communists. Almost everyone in that kind of group agrees with their ideas so there will be NO ONE to back you up. In a nation there will be people who agree and people who disagree and that is the advantage over the KKK.Markus FIN The states have limits in what they can do, it is called the constitution. That is the one boundary state can't cross. After that it's rule goes over the edge. I personally will rather pay 5-10% of my money in taxes than be murdered and robbed clean. I know that it means living in chains, but is it better to live happy in a cage than in fear outside it? I am willing to make a small sacrifice to gain a bit of safety, but I am not forcing anyone else to do so. The problem is that where could we create a place for Anarchism to be tried at. Before I know that the cure works I will not inject it.Markus FIN
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But simply shutting everyone who supports violence off doesn't actually work if you are the minority. Then in a way you are shutting yourself out, right? To make EVERY SINGLE person in the world agree with the NAP is a momentum job, because you can't have anyone who doesn't agree. If one guy decides to take advantage of the NAP then everyone else is in danger with no authority backing up their rights. So there won't be any backup, it is you alone against a gang of thieves... Couldn't this be a POSSIBLE outcome?Markus FIN
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Yes I can walk you through the conclusion. The reason why people who lead us into complete shit get elected is because the people will rather believe a beautiful lie than a sad truth. It sucks that it is so, but you can see it in every election because populists always gain popularity... So I believe that the reason the state does evil and poor decicions is that people don't undestand the consicuenses of the power they are given in a Democracy. People believe that the welfare state is the best idea and refuse to believe the pitfalls and immorality it has. People just don't care enough... And that is what bureocrats and corporation heads take advantage of. :(Markus FIN
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I hope they are not. My parents are the people who taught me the morality that allows me to understand at least somewhat how the world should work, so without them I might just be another Socialist moron... Could I ever blame them for being BAD because of this?Markus FIN I have had a great childhood but sometimes something I have said has been rejected, but they still made clear they love me even if they disagree with my political views. :')PS: Thank you for caring about me, it is a bit of a rare treat nowadays in the world. :)Markus FIN
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If I was given enough time I bet I would. I would just need to get thr racist assholes out of the way and encourage "smarter" people to join the KKK by completely renewing the ideas that lay behind it. The problem in a modern society we are all part of the KKK and that way there is a lot of potential power to change it's views and principals.Markus FIN That is a good point dude! You have a big chunck of truth right there... Like I said if someone can honestly prove me wrong then I accept it, and I think you just hit the nail on the spot. Thank you for all of your rational and polite comments, they really mean a lot to me. Take care everyone! :)Markus FIN
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I would always leave another option available, in case we have made a mistake. The raising of children to understand the that the state is not needed is the best idea I have ever heard, but I am offering also other ways which we can use to reach our goal, without endangering the original ones.
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Hello IvanNH! Welcome to the forum! I just made an account a few days back and I can tell you that the conversations here are very pleasant! Just be prepared for the hammer of facts that is about to hit you if you make an argument! Yeah politics in the USA might not ever be a possible way for Libertarians to proceed, but I still believe it is still possible in some developed countries. Ron Paul is a great man, the corrupt "Democracy" just doesn't allow people like that to get in power, because that would be the end of the American Fascism... :/ Markus FIN
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But if 95% of the people are okay with Statism then wherever I go I will always feel uncomfterable talking about this. The more I talk with people who don't agree the easier it becomes for me to state my views. My aim is to be completely comfterable while talking to a person who disagrees with me. If you want to effect the opinions of other people, wouldn't only talking with people who agree with you be a bad idea? :/PS: Sorry for losing my temper in the earlier comment. It seemed like what you were saying was that everyone around me is evil... :(Markus FIN
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But is it right to try and fix something that is wrong with actions that can cost lives? What is you only THINK you are sick and end up taking the hardest medicine in order to stop the disease immediately. You are going to end up way worse off than you originaly were. Going slowly means keeping the option to go back available, and if that means that I don't believe in the goal enough then fine. In my opinion it is smart to understand that you can be wrong, excpecially with choices that deside the fate of the entire world...Markus FIN
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Those sentences can lead to a lot of blood... Blind Idealism that your goal is flawless leads to a unavoidable failure. If you want to change the world, you need to remember to stop and think from time to time. Slow and steady wins the race. ;)Markus FIN
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He is the only guy I know who likes to discuss about politics. I guess you guys might be right, but I just like debating even though he disagrees with me. To say that I shouldn't be friends with him because he thinks that state using force on individuals is completely moral is a bit strange... It's because around 95% of the people I have ever met are totally cool with it. The only way to get along with them is to accept their views. I know it is immoral, but that's why I debate with them. I hope that one day I can make somebody understand... :)Markus FIN Okay I think I get it. It is just so HARD to find anyone who is NOT okay with the state using force, because everyone considers it completely moral... Even my parents agree to some exctent, even though they are both highly Liberal (both economic and social). So cutting off relationships with people who are okay with the state would mean ending ALL my relationships... And no matter how much I believe in the freedom if individuals that is a price I WILL NOT PAY!Markus FIN
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I would be mad but his good intentions would still count for me, lying about being a real doctor though would be a different story. If some random person saw me get badly hurt and came to help me and would accidentally hurt me while trying to help, his good intentions would count. My friend is a person who wants everyone to have a good life and be happy but he is just confused on what you can or can't do in your attempts to reach this goal. It's kinda frustrating but he is a good practice when it comes to debating. Markus FIN
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Well I already booked myself a spot in the Sunday show 22.6.2014 where I'm going to discuss about this specific subject. :)PS: I know Stefan is smart but there are still things he doesn't know. If I get lucky I might just have an argument he has not heard before... ;)Markus FIN
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Excactlty! Thank you for clarifying. :)Markus FIN
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Short answer: Yes. I know it might sound a but strange but that is how I feel. The person who forces you is the one who is doing the wrong thing and should be punished, not the person he orders you to kill. :)Markus FIN
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No, but you would have to make it up for your employer afterwards. You can't reverse a murder, so if he asked you to kill your employer then it would be a straight up murder. You don't have the right to take some strangers life in order to save someone else, that is the basis if Statism. It means that for the "greater good" it is okay to sarifice other people... :/Markus FIN
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Yeah I guess you'r right. It is just an interesting question because if we really go deep down and think about it, we can't KNOW anything... I might not actually be writing this message as I might just be in a coma and imagine the entire world around me. I might not even excist! But to not go crazy I have decided to consider the thing that is the most likely to be the truth. But I will still remember that I can be wrong about everything, as well as everyone else. ;)Markus FIN
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LOL I get what you mean, I just can't comprehend why morality could be just put aside in a situation if danger. No matter how crappy your situation is, you always have a choice. In my opinion morality upplies to EVERY situation a person can be in and without exceptions. :PMarkus FIN
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Yeah that's true. But it is still a question that is bugging me. It is not my style to just shut something I might have been wrong about out of my mind... I guess it is a question of faith right? We can't prove either way, so you just have to pick either one and have faith... :)Markus FIN
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That is not the same thing. In a KKK there are only racists so it would be impossible to change their opinion. In a Democracy all you need to do is convince the majority of the people to support your idea. In a Democracy there are all kinds of people, not just evil ones. So all you need to do is get the good people to your side and you will be on your way. The reason why the state is so evil and irrational is because the people who vote are so easily fed bullshit. We need to step forward and tell the truth. It is possible to change the state by joining it's ranks. It is like becoming the employee of an evil corporation. If you can climb up the ranks to become the president, you can fix everything. :)Markus FIN Thank you! I will look into that and see if it has some new ideas to offer me. :)Markus FIN Why does everyone think I want there to be government? All I am offering here is a safe way to achieve an anarchy! I hate state just as much as you do. :/Markus FIN
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LOL I should do that to teach him a lesson!