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Good point Brentb This is like the evil sibling to the planking craze which didn't involve property destruction like this one does. I found planking funny in a random way, it was like a meme I didn't take part, it didn't seem like a good use of time but I could see the funny side. If you are not brought up to respect property (and you don't self analyse) this is I guess a natural progression to planking it's more shock factor than planking which equals more attention perhaps something they were lacking as children.

Just to clarify if the hope is for complex human organs such as the heart that the body will accept as genuine to be made in the lab there is no reason why the meat grown in a lab would be noticeably different by taste, appearance or nutrition in fact you could alter and trailer them to be superior. We are trained to resist man playing god by the god fearing preachers but if there is no logical reason and only their rhetoric it should not be taken seriously. Take Geo-crops for example they are made without the capability to reproduce (which makes it very profitable for the people selling the seeds) yet people destroy fields of the stuff worrying that it will spread and make super weeds, there is no logic in this. People also think just because it is genetically altered to grow better in harsher conditions and not reproduce that some how it is going to pose a health risk to eat. Look at all the fact use the logical part of your brain and make a decision we have been altering crops through selective breeding for ages and think nothing of it. I don't think the argument between meat eaters and veterinarians will go away until meat that is made in the lab to a high standard is mainstream (that not to say natural meat wont exist or be debated). There are currently too many angles to be wholly right or wholly wrong and too many interest groups pushing their interests on others.

What about the prospect of meat being made in the lab? Also when I meditate I only concentrate on my body breathing ect anything else is a distraction.

Yet another thing to add to this conversation - Meat in the future may be grown in the lab for human consumption this is ethically neutral in my opinion and would affect the environment considerably less. If you believe in global warming or not you can not reasonably deny the huge amount of forestry in particular rain forests that are cut down to raise animals or to produce corps to feed animals which is less energy efficient that humans eating from crops directly. Some land is not suitable to grow crops due to landscape and/or soil quality however grass thrives on it, we cannot digest grass but Cows and other animals can and thus we can harness the energy through eating them and their products such as milk. The BBC has done Part 2 to the series "Should I Eat Meat" if you are in the UK and interested in this topic which I presume you would be if your reading this then give it a watch when it becomes available on Iplayer. Sorry to those outside of the UK I don't think you can watch this. One thing that was brought up on this program was that Mussel farms are very efficient in terms of energy conversion, the space that they take up (the sea is deep) and they actively use carbon to make their shells so in terms of carbon they do have a "footprint" but is very small.

Regarding health issues rather than ethical: For those of you who live in the UK (I am unsure if other countries can view this content) the BBC did a program on "Should I Eat Meat" quite resonantly and is worth a watch in my view - http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b04fhb90/horizon-20142015-1-should-i-eat-meat-the-big-health-dilemma This program shows that our understanding of the health issues regarding meat consumption has not yet got a solid footing more research needs to be done. However it is perhaps safe to say that processed meat in particular smoked meat which contains some of the same carcinogens found in cigarette smoke would be unhealthy if consumed on a regular basis. I would suggest like most things is all about getting that balance.

That's a good example of a current market working quite well plus yet another vid for me to add to my watch list. I was looking more for current regulations that are enforced and either what happened before or alternatives, sorry if I wasn't clear my first post was very wordy.

Must say I am surprised by some of the stats quoted above opened my eyes a bit to the prospect however I am yet to be convinced English will not be the predominant language, here are some stats that may change some people minds. English is the language of the internet there is an interesting chart on wiki - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Languages_used_on_the_Internet (but as its wiki take with a pinch of salt). Please think of keyboards I have a Chinese friend he says that most people back home use qwerty keyboards... English is the language of science with 80% of scientific journals being written in English - http://www.researchtrends.com/issue-31-november-2012/the-language-of-future-scientific-communication/ This link is also of interest regarding the language of business - http://www.forbes.com/sites/dorieclark/2012/10/26/english-the-language-of-global-business/ Yes Madarin is important for manufacturing at the moment but how long will we need to rely on people/work forces for manufacturing rather than robotics. (Please be aware China's government artificially manipulates exchange rates in favor of exports which would not be possible in a true free market).

(This is my first post ) Deregulation/non state enforced regulation is one of the many beauties of anarchism however it is a common misconception that sate enforced regulations are a necessary evil to protect vulnerable customers/small businesses. I was speaking to my dad (who runs a small but successful insurance brokers) about deregulation and he gave me quite a wonderful example of how the free market solved a potentially serious problem. Scenario: A insurance broker who is a con man and has the aim of taking the money from the clients telling them they are insured and then runs off with the money. Thus the insurance companies would not have been paid, thus the clients would have no insurance and a empty pocket. With regulations: A rule book has been put in place and is enforced by law, this rule book is of considerable length and written by lawyers who although have an in depth understanding of law understand very little in regards to how businesses in the insurance industry operate. The cost of this regulation to the government is recouped via the insurance brokers themselves. This rule book among other things limits the type of account that the clients money can be put in before transferring it to the insurance company making it harder to steal. The problem with this regulation like many others is there are loop holes or at least ways of getting round them if you put your mind to it and they are costly to enforce. The way I have worded it sounds as if this regulation is easy to follow but I can assure you it is not, it is time consuming slowing the whole process down considerably and legal advice was required when the regulation was implemented. Regulators will do random checks which are disruptive and time consuming. Without regulations: The insurance companies would cover the clients for the insurance they had payed the crooked broker free of charge. The insurance companies would try and get the money back from the crooked broker but this was quite often not possible. The insurance companies did this to stop the market crashing in local areas and causing a ripple affects. It was in their interest to keep the market that they rely on stable... The free market is quite often self maintaining in B2B as it is in the interest of the big companies t to keep the small companies that they rely on in good health. If you have any interesting examples/links of before and after regulation please share them here. If you are puzzled about the free market alternatives to a given regulation we could also discuss that here. Sorry if this was a bit wordy I hope someone found this of interest.