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I see MGTOW kind of like an immune systems response to a pathogen. The unhealthier a society gets the more of it there will be but if Stefan and others are successful then it will be wiped out and never thought of again.

Have you seen the girl that was beating him? She looks as though she couldn't stand up to a stiff wind. I have been really quite confused as to how this happened. I have of course heard worse than this case. The fact that women can be cruel isn't a discover forme.

It's true it might be zoning out. But this is real life. Like I said in the other thread I go for the best I can not the Utopian perfect. The guy has acted all strange since his relative died he can't process emotions very well, or apparently can't. He has often avoided me out of 'stress' although we have been close friends since we were six years old. It is what it is.

I do not know who is likely to replace Merkel. But we are on a lucky streak Barn! Italy, Spain. Let's hope for a non blood drinking goblin one.

What do you think Barn... Do you think Stefan's Rome parallels are an accurate comparison to the present day?

That presentation is so good I realise I have not taken in enough of it. It's like apparently you need to read a book more than once to really get it. Stefans depth of research here does offer a few very disturbing and very bad trends. But there are also differences. Rome had no industrial revolution whereas, cheap immigration is used as a stopgap against progress at the moment but we have industrialised a whole lot. Politicians inefficiently attempting to put quick fixes on their stupid ideas is a problem. We are not in socialism yet. I would estimate we can still come back from this. There is not yet any arresting of landowners for 'treason'. The internet has created an ideas revolution which Rome never had access to. We also have other unpredictable factors such as China and Russia not being Barbarians but being fairly advance, we have cryptocurrency, we do have a judicial system and people in the military that are prepared to defend rights against vote rigging and arrest child traffickers.

Thanks Barn, that's my current job. It's the one I am trying to leave. Just about to re- go through the Rome presentation now.

I am at work at the moment and there is a high call volume and I have other things I am preparing for later on today so cannot look at the points you made in detail now. But while I agree less control is not freedom, I also don't subscribe to Utopian visions. The only thing we should be doing is moving towards improvement, not moving towards Utopia where everything is solved. Also, improvement can have a snowball effect. Fall of Rome was the 5 hour presentation? I think the world is now more complex with competing empires whereas Rome only had the one. Plus computers, finance etc. However I would have to re- review that. I remember a lot of it such as inflation of currency but I must have forgotten a lot since the presentation was so long.

Yes, relative to where they were at the time it was a reduction in State Power because Germany went from totalitarian social economic control to free market. ?

The fall of the Soviet Union, and the conversion of Germany to the Free market after WW2

I just read that Merkel might be out of a job by the end of next week.

Also, the negative is very effective and for this many things to be happening against them, it seems likely that they are palpably losing and unable to prevent positive change from all avenues it comes from.

Also, the negative is very effective and for this many things to be happening against them, it seems likely that they are palpably losing and unable to prevent positive change from all avenues it comes from. The way I see this is of a lot of good people having been stopped by a singular negative force, when that is removed a tide of positive energy can flood in. I just read that Merkel might be out of a job by the end of next week.

Yes that does make sense. So what you are saying is that you do not see a sudden shift for a positive change but that people will have to really slog to change things. This in my view has an underlying assumption I don't think is correct about the nature of power. In that, it assumes the power of the creation of these bad things is equally spread out but we know, that power is heirarchical. I do think if the entrenched political class can be taken out very quickly and a negative is REMOVED. I.e. as in the fall of the European Union. Then we can make very quick progress in a positive direction. Even once the progress is happening it is less bad then when it does not seem to be.

No, it has given me the opportunity to more strongly explain my position and I think that sort of political discussion does need strong opinions. Since we are dealing with real stuff here with a lot of material a lot can be discussed. There is a lot that can be falsely assumed. I did think you were not contributing on the thread about subconscious signals. Not in that the analysis was incorrect but that to contribute you might have discussed your own ideas on the subject before jumping in and analysing mine.

No, it has given me the opportunity to more strongly explain my position and I think that sort of political discussion does need strong opinions. Since we are dealing with real stuff here with a lot of material a lot can be discussed. There is a lot that can be falsely assumed. I did think you were not contributing on the thread about subconscious signals. Not in that the analysis was incorrect but that to contribute you might have discussed your own ideas on the subject before jumping in and analysing mine. Yes that does make sense. So what you are saying is that you do not see a sudden shift for a positive change but that people will have to really slog to change things. This in my view has an underlying assumption I don't think is correct about the nature of power. In that, it assumes the power of the creation of these bad things is equally spread out but we know, that power is heirarchical. I do think if the entrenched political class can be taken out very quickly and a negative is REMOVED. I.e. as in the fall of the European Union. Then we can make very quick progress in a positive direction. Even once the progress is happening it is less bad then when it does not seem to be. Also, the Deep State is very effective and for this many things to be happening against them, it seems likely that they are palpably losing and unable to prevent positive change from all avenues it comes from. The way I see this is of a lot of good people having been stopped by a singular negative force, when that is removed a tide of positive energy can flood in. I just read that Merkel might be out of a job by the end of next week.

So, finance wise. Perhaps I had not explained my perspective well enough: My understanding is that the financial system works is in a very delicate place where small moves can upset the balance. For instance, let us consider the stock market. The reason zero percent interest rates are so beneficial to the stock market is that companies buy back their own stock to prevent it from falling. There is also another element here, an emotional element, whereby traders have been getting deliberately punished by the ECB and other banks with multiple short squeezes, which is where traders think they will gain money from a stock market crash and the ECB and other agencies through dark pools, push up the market so any trader holding a short has to drop them all and usually has to lose money in the process. This is also complicated by algorythmic programmes that can en mass destroy an entire market within seconds potentially and is probably part of the reason for the 2014 thousand point flash crash. But the stock market as a whole is very delicate with even a minor move for will bring traders running for the hills. In many ways the systems of checks and balances where that mafia organisation the EU has a protection racket, is what keeps the current situation in place in relation to political parties and the practice of power, i.e. how power is allocated. With every move that goes against the status quo likely to bruise such people and make them more likely to jump ship into the Trump camp. Said simply. Not sure how much that explains but, I think it has some relevance.

At the right time and for the right reason it is a good thing, such as sometimes the analysis of strong emotions. But specificity is not something I specialise in for most tasks. I spend most of my life in more of an abstract mindset. I specifically do believe that to get a really strong handle on anything politically is a fools errand unless you have worked in the area for a long time. I know the basics on finance I do not know anymore so would only put forward vague general assumptions because I know that I know nothing here. Reading some of your last post... I do appreciate all you have written but do think it is a little above my cognitive ability to engage with it all. I mean cognitive ability I do not mean preference. I can do scales all day but I cannot really look at some things I get tired. For instance this. I have no clue what this means, or the bits immediately preceeding: Perhaps it represents the mindset of a physicist or engineer. Following through on another post.

Barn, you have an unusual way of wanting an incredible amount of specificity in your conversations... I'm not complaining you ARE AT LEAST CONVERSING and the attention is positive. But I would point out it is you that is unusual not the other person. Most people do respond to the general overall emotional tone of a post, and only pick up on specificities casually. If I were to pick a line I was responding to directly I would say it is this one:

That's silly. It assumes that in order to act positively people must be in a state of hopelessness with the belief nothing will ever change unless they put in a lot of energy to change it. In practice what actually happens is people simply give up under those circumstances.

Two interesting videos here and here. Although the second one does not actually adequately show the narratives are being defeated, I think we are in a good place! There are so many things happening in the world that show that something might actually punch through and effect us on the ground here but here we are, from zerohedge[Link]: New anti-establishment Italian government? Check. New anti-establishment, socialist Spanish government? Check. Trade war between the US and Europe, Mexico, & Canada? Check. Deutsche Bank (most systemically risky bank in the world at one point) downgraded to a B-handle? Check. Fed Tightening as rate-hike odds rise after good jobs data trumps EU risk? Check. This was from two weeks ago and things have steadily progressed. We have Italy sending back migrants, Austria is rebelling against Islam, we have Trump winning a major win with the North Korea situation, Liberals are in deep denial about this, they cannot face the fact Trump has had such a success here. Today the trade war between US and China is adding heat and one of these things is going to effect the status quo eventually. The video also included Hungary's upcoming "referendum" on EU law within their constitution. I don't see the status quo continuing for much longer.

This actually worked out very well in the end. The guys coming down to watch the football and I have a friend who is going through a really hard time who I don't see recently. For whatever personal reason. Good friends but I'm not the person he would like to spend time with now. But if there is a football game on he can spend time with people without discussing any deep subjects (which might be why he's avoiding me, I do discuss deep things and it stresses people out sometimes. Even if not the subject matter I don't zone out like a lot of groups, especially of guys... do!) Had I not sent the email the guy coming down might have avoided contacting me about this.

If you have that mental ability you have to use it, otherwise you go quite completely mad. It's like a very athletic person might get wound up and angry if they don't exercise. Perhaps it would be more beneficial for them to stay at home in this example but they have to go out for a three hour run everyday.

Plus, no one ever talks about these things but I think India and China will soon have a bigger sway over things which will also have an effect.