The Underthinker

Rosecodex, how do you know it's only a small subsection of the gay community that pushes this? Dan Savage is hugely popular. How do you know it isn't like the negative view of homosexuality amongst muslims? They may not all speak up for it every day but tacitly support a certain position.

The slippery slope argument itself is a weak one. We make it illegal to drive through a red traffic light and are not afraid that this will be a slippery slope to not be allowed to drive at all. You always want to strike a good, sensible balance with laws. If you lean too far on your left foot and are in danger of falling over, you don't stop yourself from moving right because leaning on your right foot extremely will tip you over in the other direction. Now with that said, it has been gay organizations that have most frequently brought forth demands for a lower age of consent in my country. I think the guy doing the "safer school" thing in US or canada has a similar history. There is such a power imbalance between kids and adults that kids really can't consent. Any adult that deals with kids selfishly is not a good person and sex is inherently selfish.

I would not want my child to hit me or hit anyone else. I've taught classes where a kid would randomly hit me, however none as young as 3 years old. I think I would approach it the same though. I do not want to get used to blocking attacks from a child, because others might not have the self defense reflexes I have. I would hold the child's arm, and say no, making sure to get his/her undivided attention for this message. Each next time within the same few minutes, I will increase this timeout. But I will also observe the child carefully. There's a difference between not understanding that the behavior is unacceptable (they can't really understand they're hurting people at that age, children don't develop the ability to empathize/understand others have feelings until somewhere between 3-6, though usually around 4 years old) and knowing not to engage in the behavior but being unable to control oneself. So I would be on the lookout for that. If it is uncontrollable, there might be something else going on that gives the child distress and causes him/her to act out. It's not really something that has ever made me angry, but I will pretend to be angry after repeated action and this has almost always worked. I don't think it's necessary to hurt or cause pain for the child to get this message across. It helps to just have a very clear boundary in your mind and enforcing that boundary every time with patience, unless it's playfight time. The goal is not stop getting hurt, the goal is to stop the behavior that will not help the child socially. If I were to hit the child, I would teach implicitly that it's okay to hit those who you have authority over to keep them in line. If I instead communicate as clearly as possible (with both body and voice) and possibly restrain for 1-5 seconds, then I would teach implicitly that it's okay to communicate / restrain to keep yourself safe towards someone who is aggressive and you have authority over. Have the boundary crystal clear in your head and enforce it every time. Even if you didn't mind this one time of him/her slapping you.

I think it's rather rude to just walk away over political disagreement. Did you not at least identify to her why you were walking away?

Although to be clear: it's not most feminists who have experienced horrible things, in my experience. Far higher than compared to average population, but nowhere near 50% of feminists. Bingo! Women's shelters are prime breeding ground for feminism. Together with universities and feminist media (laci green on mtv etc) they wre the places where women and girls are introduced to feminism. Here's an interview with the woman who started the world's first women's shelter and how the project was infiltrated, coopted and stolen by anti-male feminists. The original women's shelters had men working there, which was vital for some of the women who had never had a simple positive relationship towards a male. Of course no good think lasts forever. http://youtube.com/watch?v=dj8883DryKA

Free range dating will never go out of style. Although in my experience things are most promising if the first two "dates" it's 50/50 for both people whether it's a date or not. I'm not sure why but the uncertainty and mystery lends itself to far longer / better relationships in my experience.

Here's a topic that I often heard vox shamed for pre-emptily. And for the longest time I had a negative opinion of Vox Day as a result of this. There is no marital rape? I found the idea ludicrous and distasteful. However, now reading his arguments, I find the real meat of the argument isn't about whether marital rape is rape or not. Rather his arguments seem to be this: 1. What value is offered to a man as a result of marriage if not the right to sex? Why enter a marriage contract as a male if this reward is not offered? 2. Marital rape law is practically never used to prosecute. That's how we know it's a bad law. 3. Forcing someone to have sex while married is not rape, it's assault and battery, because consent is presumed. I think a compelling case is made. I'm going to think about this for a while.

Well it's one of the few subjects where I expect to be quite far from the center of the bell curve of opinion for members of this community. I hope we'll have some fruitful discussions about it in the future.

Thanks for the welcome! I have been watching on and of for about 6 months now. I noticed recently that I watched at least the first 10 minutes of every video for over a month. Plenty of it has been challenging, although particularly the analysis of things on whether they're moral or not. The whole "not an argument" thing has provoked an evolution of my thinking and how to deal with people who don't make arguments. Particularly enlightening has been the series about why not to date a single mother. It has given me insight into some of the contributing factors why certain things in my life (and for my brothers) didn't work as well as they did for some at school. Most disagreeable is the whole idea of anarcho-capitalism. Although I can find no fault with the idea that it's the more moral way to govern, I do not believe a stateless region can manage quite the same defense politically as long as there are other states in the world. Any previous attempts to discuss things related to this have been very unfruitful and I get the impression that people have a blue sky idea of how things would work out. I've been aware of Stef for a longer time, but I think he's really grown as a speaker and is both more entertaining and better at getting his ideas across than he was in the past, You seem to have been here for a while RoseCodex. What's the best thing about this community for you? What could be better?

Have you considered discussing these issues in more depth with the parents of the child? What they expect from you? How you view the role of godmother? Have you checked whether you agree on the fundamentals? Personally I don't agree to important decisions unless we agree on some fundamental important things.

This really is a very biased perspective on what left and right mean. If I were to use the same bias but from the other side, I would explain them like such: The right (conservatism) has historically meant conserving values and the things that we rely on to live and improve our lives. It's protective. The left(liberalism) historically meant overthrowing authority to get turmoil that objectively makes peoples lives worse. Revolution, terrorism, crime, propaganda, brainwashing, blackmailing, chaos, poverty, slavery, civil wars, etcetera. I don't believe either your or what I just wrote above explanations of right and left, but I thought you might use this as a mirror to contemplate on your own bias. Where did you learn to get these associations for "left" and "right"?

I remember reading asimov and why he thought a word like "witch" existed. His theory was that youth looks attractive and old doesn't look attractive. Well that's obvious right? But when men go old they grow a beard, which looks impressive and wizened. There's still a look of strength in that. Women rather just go wrinkly and crotched without this mane of strength and also one of the traditional values about women; beauty; is slowly crotcheting away.

I have not been called crazy, but I think I've experienced similar with two different relationship break-ups. Both were into the feminist spectrum of political belief and both were hard-working, ambitious women. This in contrast with two other women who were also in that political spectrum, but had very gentle break-ups, as much as is possible. The two situations where it got ugly, one pleaded with me and said that she would do ANYTHING to not break up. Afterwards though, anyone who I met who had met her first seemed to be very cautious of me initially. It was clear she was backtalking a lot about me. I confronted her, and she admitted it. The other completely avoids me and does not want to talk to me in any way, which I respect. But the last time we did talk post break up, it was clear she was blaming me for a million things I hadn't done or things she had done herself as well before I ever had. I think that breaking up is hard on both men and women, but I think there is an additional biological component at play; women have an evolutionary deeper incentive to keep the man around and not break-up. Without a man, she would risk not being able to feed her children, protect her children with quite the same vigor as when that man does stick around. I think that some women are better able to deal with these deep feelings of pain and loss than others. And yes, those that are not able to deal with this well lash out; to try and inflict the pain on you that they are feeling themselves. To possibly bully you into staying. That's my interpretation/understanding anyways. I don't think women have a special right to feel aggrieved, but I think breakups are harder on women than on men.

Hey, I'm new and thought there might be some interesting discussion to be had on this forum. I'm at a point where I watch nearly every Stefan Molyneux video that comes out on youtube. I hope you'll welcome me into this community.