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Im not sure that abuse from my mother should be the consequence of her actions. The part about the finances was meant to convey that there is no clear incentive for my mother to try to isolate my grandmother, it doesn't have to do with money or a lack of control over the situation. I'm not worried about her taking me to court because our emails do speak for themselves but more the intention behind the action. It's less about 'saving' her than it is not wanting to innocently bystand or ignore it. My grandmothers trauma came from her stepmother who married my great grandfather without being informed that he had children, I'm not sure why she didn't want children but judging from her behaviour toward my grandmother I assume it was some weird French Canadian catholic style of masochism I don't think that engaging or permitting that behaviour will solve anything and it violates the non agression principle. At what point does self defence become the iniation of coercion? If I punch you and you hit me back 10 years later does it have the same moral implication as it would if you retaliated immediately?

I would suggest evaluating your basic physical and emotional needs to see if there is an area that requires attention before taking medication. Things like 'How much oxygen is circulating to my brain?' 'How is my circulation?' 'How is my diet/digestion?' 'Am I drinking enough water?' 'Am I getting enough sleep?' 'Am I currently taking a substance that is causing fatigue (coffee etc)?' 'Do I consent to the things I do in my daily life?' 'Do I create healthy boundaries with people?' The list could go on. If all of these criteria were examined and confirmed to not be the cause then exploring supplements or medication could be helpful. Certainly trying a vacation before resorting to that wouldn't hurt. I think the industry around medicating mental fatigue has an interest in promoting the numbing of our natural reaction to bordom/depression/lethargy/insomnia and other reactions people have to modern society as a result of the economy and government corruption of education etcetcetc

The shock had to do with the fact that there was ample clear evidence showing harassment from the boy. The lawyer hadn't bothered to review the case file in its entirety and just looked at the first few text messages. The issue with the police had to do with the fact that the girl was being held accountable for something that was the lawyers responsibility- to inform the girl about the case. The police officer told her that if she didn't get in touch with the lawyer the case would be dropped but the lawyer did not answer/respond to attempts until after girl called police to complain about the unfair conditions. If the girl didn't call to complain and the lawyer didn't get in touch with her then it would be unfair that the girl should be blamed for the case being dropped because she wasn't able to reach the lawyer. The issue with the case being dropped has to do with the perpetrator of the harassment experiencing the fact that harassment is considered unacceptable in our society

Hi community, still needing a bit of time here. I really appreciate the advice, it is helping me understand the situation. I just need to say to Frosty, just because I'm a woman doesn't mean I'm being manipulative. I've told the story as accurately and objectively as possible. I have no value in wasting time trying to get sympathy from people, especially at the expense of another persons reputation. As an individual I have other more interesting things to occupy myself with. For the sake of discussion let's assume the account to be accurate

I suspect that my mother has intentions that are beyond imagination for my grandmother who is dying of cancer. She abused me severely as a child and was abused by her mother in a more severe way. The difference between my mother and I is that she has a desire to perpetuate that abuse. My grandmother has expressed to me on multiple occasions that my mother has frightened her/coerced her into doing irrational things during a period of time 7 years ago when they lived together. My mother has described the abuse she received as a child from my grandmother as being extremely harsh. My mother has been trying to isolate my grandmother by speaking about her as though she is more sick than she is, lying to her about trying to find her other two sisters, privately begging me not to look for them, telling me to stay away from her, and finally last night she threatened to put a restraining order against me if I attempt to contact either of them. I'm worried for the safety of my grandmother. It's interesting because my grandmother certainly didn't protect me from my mother as a child, but I am genuinely frightened by the potential harm that my mother could inflict of my grandma. I suppose I am sympathizing with the terror I recall from my childhood. There is also a financial factor driving her. My mother abandoned me at 10years old when I made the decision not to help her hide her abuse of me. I was distant because every time I attempted to communicate she would further the abuse. My grandfather, who was my favourite person as a child, shot himself in the face with a shot gun when I was 6 two weeks before Christmas and left no note. He left some 200,000$ to my grandma and that sum has increased as a result of smart investments on the part of my grandma That is allot of money to my mother who has no goals outside of her own indulgence and is someone who claims iq 132 and has spent her life drinking alcohol secretly all day and night while working as a baker at a grocery store complete with endless burn scars all over her arms from 'working so hard' My grandma told me a while ago that she left everything to my mom I wasn't surprised Neither of them invested anything in me after I escaped at 10 with the help of children's aid (CAS) and moved in with my father. I also wasn't disappointed to hear that my grandmother decided that my mother would make better use of the funds than I They have done so little for me and have neglected/abused me so much that I don't really desire a contribution from them to my well being In a way I feel like if they were going to fund my education/integration into society etc they should have done it a while ago (I'm 27 now) Anyway My mother has spoken to me on multiple occasions saying things like 'Your not getting any of the money, grandma left it to me' and begging me not to look for her two sisters because she 'doesn't want to upset' my grandma despite my grandmothers request to be reunited with them. All of her statements seem to be absent of consideration for the fact that our close relative is about to leave earth as we know it, I can't figure out what her intention is. She is already getting all of the money (at age 54) So unfortunately the only reason I can see for her to try to isolate my grandma is that she intends to inflict some weird sociopathic revenge on her. I feel that way because unfortunately my mother has the potential for that kind of deranged mania. I am concerned because I can't imagine a more terrifying hell than being trapped in my mothers clutches and having the government prevent anyone who cares about me to help me escape. I searched online and found nothing helping in terms on steps to take, Just stuff about elder abuse but nothing as extreme as what my mom is capable of. I don't have anyone to advise me, kind of friendless after the election and my dad refuses to hear anything at all about my mom or if her does on occasion listen he ends up telling me he wants nothing to do with it/her. I've got so much going on in my life and I moved to the opposite end of the country What do you think I should do? My first thought was to call my grandma and tell her that my mom told me if I try to contact her that she will put a restraining order against me but that might not go over well I assume my grandmother will suggest we keep our relationship a secret In fact for years my grandmother kept our relationship a secret from my mother because she was 'afraid' that my mom would be upset with her for speaking with me. My second thought was that I need advice because the situation is dangerous and volatile.

Thanks for the advice. I'll need to take some time to review the information that everyone has contributed. Dsayers, The gender specification is entirely related to this scenario being based on a real event and is not intended to imply that women are never the perpetrators of harassment.

This all sounds awful. Good work.

Scenario: Boy meets girl They date briefly and then don't speak for a year They reconnect and date for 6 weeks. They break up and boy says increasingly threatening and disrespectful things to girl for 2 weeks until girl threatens to contact boys family and police. Girl 'blocks' boy Boy shows up 3 months later wanting to date again Girl declines and says that she is willing to be friends Boy is visably frusterated with girl but requests girl message him sometime Girl says she will do so in the distant future. Boy gives girl tight hug that doesn't end until she pulls back Boy leaves at 5pm Boy returns at 10pm and walks into girls house It happens that girl was walking toward door and boy is stunned when he opens door Boy steps back and girl slams/locks door Boy refuses to leave and demands girl comes outside Girl requests that he leave but does not call police as suggested by friend Boy stays outside girls house for 3 hours Boy returns two days later at 8am Knocks on door Girl asks who is at the door Boy gives fake name Girl recognizes boys voice and calls police Police tell boy to leave girl alone and not to return to her property Boy returns the next morning knocking on door demanding girl come outside Girl calls police and police have boy agree to a restriction of contact order requiring boy not to attempt to contact girl directly or indirectly One week later boy contacts girls friend requesting girl to contact him Friend reports boy to girl Girl reports boy to police Police decide to charge boy with harassment 5 months go by Girl receives email from defence lawyer and calls 3 times over the course of a week with one response at the end of the week in the form of a voicemail informing girl that lawyer is going on holiday 2 weeks later police officer knocks on girls door at 8am unannounced and tells girl that if she doesn't get in touch with lawyer the case will be dropped Girl leaves additional voicemail for lawyer informing lawyer of police officers warning Girl is contacted by lawyer a week later who claims that police have not given her the entire case file as justification for not having any idea about the timeline of events and evidence of harassment Lawyer asks girl if girls actions leading up to breakup justified boys harassment and refusal of girls request to not be contacted by boy Girl is shocked and appalled that lawyer would ask this question when girl requested boy leave her alone on numerous occasions and his disregard for girls freedom is the reason for concern Not to mention the harassment started months after the relationship ended Girl feels that lawyer does not understand why she feels vulnerable about having to confront boy directly if the justice system fails to protect her right to her property and self One week passes Boy is meant to go to court in 2 weeks Boy adds girl on Instagram Girl takes screen shot of notification Reports incident (though inclined out of initiative to protect her freedom she was also instructed by police to report any attempted contact) Girl has to wait 5 hours for police to come to her home to update file Considering that the boy is going to court and has been told multiple times by girl and others that he does not have the right to demand contact with her, his persistence indicates that the justice system is not solving the issue of the girl being harassed and having her freedom limited by living in varying degrees of fear What should the girl do?

Dsayers, I agree that ideally people would resolve their disputes independant of government interference but the current online discussion that I am questioning involves the idea that people should be 'charged' for making false (rape) claims. False claims are only coercive when the person being falsely accused is subject to retribution. I think that if a mentally ill person claims that I assaulted them that it is not justifiable for me to 'charge' them because I am offended that they are confused about my identity. If that person charges me with assault and then in court swears to speak honestly yet fabricates a lie about me in order to unfairly impose retribution I should be able to provide evidence of my innocence and my accuser should be charged with a varying degree of intent to harm me by charging me with a false claim. 'Charging' people for making inconsequential claims is a violation of free speech. Falsely charging people of human rights violations and demanding retribution is different in that it actively violates the non agression principle by initiating coercion against the innocently accused Weasel, Yes, that must be it. People should be charged for making false allegations. If I am not mistaken that is already illlegal in many places. I like the idea of anonymity being a right of someone who is innocent until proven guilty. That would certainly decrease the incentive for someone to attempt to make false allegations for the purposes of blackmail etc.

There are many playful coincidences found in nature that appear to tease the question of intelligent design. Probability is a scale of measuring what we can reliably know to be in existence that begins and ends in an illusively infinite place.

Sometimes people say things that are not well thought out and are easily misinterpreted. Sometimes people are confused and make claims that they do not reasonably believe. As a result of all of the sexual deviancy being publicized in the media related to the US presidential elections the topic of women making false rape claims is currently a primary discussion on the internet. In my opinion, people should not be charged/persecuted for making false claims outside of a 'court of law' because there are a number of natural instances where all people say things they do not truly believe in a moment of emotional instability. I think that making a false claim should only be criminal if it is done in a court of law with the intention to inflict consequences on the accused that are unjustified. What do you think about false claims violating people's human rights/breaking the 'law' ?

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If the person in question interprets the action as evil and would not welcome the treatment of oneself to the standard they apply to others then through action they agree with something that they don't agree with in their own right. The long term effect of this kind of hypocrisy inevitably will victimize the supporters of that behaviour personally. If the person doesn't see the action as evil then further question is necessary. For example if I were to go around killing infants I would rightly face severe consequence. But if I were a doctor aborting fetuses it is viewed differently If I were a doctor performing these surgeries and I beleive that if I was the fetus being aborted I would be better off not being born then it follows that I accept my moral claim fully that would be 'I believe that in certain circumstances it is better to prevent a fetus from forming completely and to end its life prenatally regardless of what is unknown about the potential of its life' If I were the same doctor but was born to unfortunate circumstances and thrived regardless then I may be in moral conflict, if I decide what I'm doing is wrong after analysis of my logic then what I'm doing becomes evil regardless of the rationality behind the action objectively I think that part of not allowing the hostility and futility of human life drive us insane is the act of rationalizing things we can philosophically accept to be evil.

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Opportunity to excersize understanding and communicative aptitude of philosophical ideas. Allowing for fdr podcasts to serve as a parameter for weekly discussions. Intending to create an environment for people who are: Committed to truth (rather than authority) being the necessary condition for accepting a claim as valid