RyanT

Although admittedly unlikely, it could well be that the grandfather himself isn't even a Christian.Certainly, I've met several neo-Nazis who's parents were total, 'politically correct liberals'.but as sure as night follows day there was obviously some deficiency in their parenting,which left their children open and susceptible to that particular brand of crazy.

Well in that case I like to think I just couldn't be bothered, Kinda like reading that article, no use wasting your time on flawed ideas....although to be fair it probably played a part. Do think I redeemed myself a little though when she said, 'people who don't vote have no right to complain about the government, to which I said if your guy wins, you chose him so you carn't complain if the other guy wins, you're obligated to respect democtic process, So carn't complain As you say she really wasn't used to been disagreed with, especially not on a 'social norm' like that.

But mate you're not being attacked....No one is saying your stupid or an idiot,It's mearly pointing out that the solution your peddling to all the world's problems,Is something you yourself have very little experience of, shit from the sounds of it Your average cub-scout has spent longer in the woods....Not saying go live there but at least take a camping trip before you tell the world to.And if you were disabled or in an hospice I'd be pointing out that in an hunter gatherer society you'd be dead,

Not quite sure I get you mate?

But you realize you'd actually have a shred of credibility if you did it the other way around?

I don't see how Jer's post was either pointless or an attack on you. He/she mearly questioned whether you're following the prescription you advocating for society. Not exactly unreasonable is it? So why are you angry?

Yeah, I was once on a date with a girl, carn't remember what exactly we were discussing, But with this air of wisdom she said 'islam's actually a very beautiful religion' At that point 'why' didn't really come into it....

Since when has child abuse been a freedom?It's an initiation of the use of force against another person,And we will only have a truly free society,When that is socially unacceptable.....

Yeah, don’t mind admitting I find the whole thing totally baffling, For example, homeschooling is pretty much banned throughout much of western Europe, yet so is parents beating their children. While obviously in most party of the US the reverse is true, Homeschooling your children is not only legal it's reasonably 'socially acceptable', but so is beating children with belts, paddles, switches and other implements. Which is 'closest to freedom'?

Well it's like Stefan often says you’re talking as if this is some sort of new ‘free market problem’, totally alien to the current statist system.. Yet over here in the UK its just coming to light scores of establishment figures were raping kids for decades, with complete immunity from prosecution. While since 1998, 333 people have died in police custody, 16 as a proven result of being restrained, yet in all those cases not a single officer has ever been found guilty of any wrongdoing. Indeed it's hard to see how a voluntary system could be less neutral if it tried.

and If it has blue flashing lights on top all the better.... Seriously though, those are amazing, would you be willing to ship to the U.K? obviously I'd cover postage.

I’m in the same boat mate, I started ignoring her calls/texts shortly after the new year and by February she twigged that I probably wasn’t 'just busy' and confronted me (well used my sister to do the dirty work). So I explained just how I felt and that I couldn’t go on pretending. I’d been expecting some big outpouring of emotion, but instead she simply said, ‘I don’t know what more I can do, I try so hard’, which for me pretty much summed it up…. So far I’ve had 2 very mushy texts about how, ‘I’ll always be her son’ and ‘she’ll always love me’, Family members told how ‘bad’ she feels that she can’t help me out financially.. Other than that though it’s (so far) been relatively stress free Indeed it’s led me to wonder if it’s not largely our fantasy that our parents will be completely fixated, deploying all means fair and fowl to bring us back close to them... ….Rather than occasionally ‘fishing’ like some bored lonely ex.

Here in the U.K home-schooling laws (for the moment at least) seem relatively un-intrusive and compare favourably even with most U.S states. www.educaionotherwise.net/ The real sting in the tail however is that social services over here have a rather bad reputation of child snatching. Though to be fair it'd be all too easy for terrible parents to put up a pretence of a 'stable loving family' to he media and because of the nature of 'family court' it's impossible (and illegal) for anyone bar the government to see records.