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Is that Sweden? Germany? Serbs are big into their jarred foods and they are extremely cheap: http://www.panacomp.net/backi-monostor-rural-tourism/#gallery-1 https://uk.pinterest.com/anajuhu123/canning-and-preserving-konzerviranje/ https://uk.pinterest.com/pin/517421444662209835/ I think Serbia is probably one of the best places in Europe for prepping: - incredibly cheap food grown without pesticide and GMO is banned - low population density - many people still live off the land and know how to grow food, mechanics, building etc. - bar Northern Scandinavia its probably the least likely area to suffer from nuclear war being central between Vienna, Rome, Athens and Istanbul; though I think Athens would be ignored - good and reliable growing season - very cheap land and property, you can get a decent house with electric and water for about $7,000 + - government doesn't have a drag-net - off the reservation, not integrated into the global system - up to 9% annual interest on RSD accounts; and even about 2% on USD

Do you live in America? I see they only have centers there and in Canada. The U.S. is definitely the best place for prepping. I've seen good 1,200 or 1,300 calorie / day 12 month food supplies for $700-1,000. The best and only I can find in the UK costs $3,200, contains meat and doesn't list calories. It's good to know it's the Mormons prepping and not Islam.The only results I can find on prepping + Islam are about prepping against Islamic invasion and Islamic extremism.

I was thinking 6 months back in 2008, but now I realise it can go on for a long time. Look how long the USSR lasted, the Ottoman empire etc. In the US, you have cities that are more violent than almost all of the most violent countries in the world. There is still some level of function in the most corrupt societies like Guatemala and Zimbabwe. When cracks appear, force will be placed against them. That is unless there is a deliberate collapse. But there are far to many wealthy and influential people who have an interest in not collapsing. They would loose pretty much everything and go to living in some bunker.

Polls seem to suggest a slight increase in UKIP support since 23 June. Following in Nigel's footsteps will be difficult, but I likewise think Steven Woolfe could be very damaging for Labour. He was formerly in the Labour party, yet is more of an economic liberal, has actually had a real job, lived on what was one of the most notorious estates, pulled himself up from nothing to be succsesful and that he is 1/4 English, 1/4 Irish, 1/4 Jewish and 1/4 black American will be a serious blow for the Guardianistas who refuse to look at any real data on UKIP and instead inject their 'white British people are the most vile people in the world' bent into every issue. He's a near inversion of the over-educated, deluded Labour MPs who have never faced the market and are incessantly parachuted into constituencies they have no connection and nothing in common with. Ed Milliband in Doncaster, Tristram Hunt in Stoke. It seems Corbyn will actually do better. I'm hoping he can hang on for some time and somehow get dislodged a few months before the 2020 GE. I don't think anything would tank Labour harder. The other option of a Labour split would also be good. The epic decline of Labour has been one of the few good things to happen in the last few years.

What country are you in? The only real preparation I have made is moving most of my money out of UK banks. My food prepping has gone on for a few years and largely consists of buying bulk 25Kg bags of rice etc. A favourite is 10kg bags of sun-dried tomatoes. But right now its very thin owing to me leaving the country in a few days. I also have a polytunnel, veg, fruits trees and fruit bushes. This is one of the best wholesale food retailers in my area: http://www.survivalwholefoods.co.uk/shop.aspx I'd like to do a lot more, but I am a bit of a miser. For weapons you can buy some on black markets, including guns, but the ammo is expensive. If you are in the UK you can buy tasers and pepper spray online from Germany.

There are a lot, but they are mostly US based. Of non-US alt sources I can only think of The Rebel Media and Breitbart London. One place you can start easily with is aggregating in a very user-friendly way. Set up a bunch of Google News searches and Twitter searches and trawl more obscure European news sites. For example, there was a small terrorist attack in Serbia last year, but I didn't see any coverage in UK or US media. Yesterday there was a video that came out of Serbia of Bosnian jihadists with the flag of ISIS and Saudi Arbia burning the flag of Serbia. I'd like a site that keeps big tabs on all this. You could also put a big spotlight on crimes that are going under-reported. Good advice. When I started what I am working on now, I planned big, I chopped a bit out before launch, more out after launch and I only really focus on half of what I intended to do.

Netherlands General Election (15 Mar 2017); Party for Freedom; nationalist, right-wing populism, anti-Islam, anti-immigration, euroscepticism; ahead by 7% French Presidential Election (by 7 May 2017); National Front; nationalism, protectionism, social conservatism, right-wing populism, anti-immigration, euroscepticism; ahead by 3% or behind by 6%, depending on lineup Italian General Election (by 23 May 2018); Five Star Movement; populism, direct democracy, anti-establishment, euroscepticism, degrowth; 2% behind leader German Federal Election (by 22 Oct 2017); Alternative for Germany; nationalism, right-wing populism, euroscepticism, conservatism, anti-immigration; 26% behind leader Denmark General Election (by 17 Jun 2019); Danish People's Party; nationalist, social conservationism, right-wing populism, euroscepticism, anti-immigration; 4.4% behind leader Czech Legislative Election (by Oct 2017); Ano 2011; centrism, liberalism, populism ; ahead by 1% Spain General Election (26 Jul 2020); Podemos; left-wing; 13% behind leader UK General Election (7 May 2020); UKIP; nationalism, economic liberalism, euroscepticism, right-wing populism, anti-immigration, direct democracy; 22% behind leader Austria Legislative Election (by October 2018); Freedom Party of Austria; heitmat, libertarian, right-wing populism, nationalism, anti-immigration, euroscepticism; ahead by 11% Sweden General Election (9 Sep 2018); Sweden Democrats; nationalism, social conservatism, right-wing populism, euroscepticism, anti-immigration; behind by 8% Finnish Parliamentary Election (April 2019); Finns Party; nationalism, social conservationism, right-wing populism, euroscepticism, anti-immigration; behind by 12% Norway Parliamentary Election (2017); Progress Party; liberal-conservatism, economic liberalism, right-wing populism, anti-immigration; behind by 15% Belgian Federal Election (June 2019); two Flemish nationalist parties; right-wing populist, anti-immigration, eurosceptic; ahead by 14% Iceland Parliamentary Elections (autumn 2016); Pirate Party; direct democracy, anti-corruption, privacy rights advocacy; ahead by 5% Portugal: no insurgency Andorra: no insurgency Switzerland took the route 17 years ago: Ruling Party in Switzerland: Swiss People's Party; majority party since 1999; nationalism, direct democracy, right-wing populism, economic liberalism, euroscepticism, anti-immigration

What is the biggest issue for you right now?

I agree with the principles you argue for, but it doesn't seem that they are feasible in current times. There was no room for due process in brutal pagan societies. If a daughter of a tribal leader falsely accused you of rape, your head would likely come off. We only have room for due process now because of a long and painful period of evolution. Right now, as you allude to in your post, there are problems in the Western world with acts such as physical and psycho-emotional child abuse. These people are not philosophically evolved enough to even understand your arguments, never mind think about adopting them. In the US, the National Institute for Mental Health says that 1.6% of people have borderline personality disorder in a given year, there are a couple percent of other mental disorders that make people fundamentally incompatible with anarchy, 1% of people in jail, ~48 million with an 85 IQ or lower, four cities in the top ten for homicides in the world, 10 million families without a farther etc. These people are not qualified to live in a voluntary society. And that's just the US. Many people in the world probably aren't even able to understand that they don't understand your arguments. This is not an argument against your principles, just that I would feel extremely uncomfortable living in a untested anarchist society with the quality of people (many of whom are essentially unreformable) we have who don't believe in your principles. Then there is the fact that many people profess principles, but do not follow through. I know a self-described AnCap who has also said while an AnCap that he would love to know how to hack Bitcoin, is a grand-master of coercion and extremely selfish. Of all the people I know he'd actually be the person I'd be most worried about living in an anarchist society. If we make that my route-a, my route-b would still be to vote from Trump, if I was eligible. I think building a wall would be a good way to stop child abuse pouring into the US. Its not a perfect solution, but neither is the situation of millions of people entering the country from the most violent countries in the world.

I'm not sure what your main interests are, but I think corporal punishment in the home may be one. If, say, a President Trump, made corporal punishment in the home an offence punishable by a minimum of one year in prison, what would you think and feel? And to add a rollback of government, what would you think and feel if he ended social security?

As someone who makes a living from online commissions and advertising, I can say that this is a viable idea, but a tough one. From what you have said I am guessing that you have no real business knowledge on top of not having any programming experience. This is something I have thought about, but right now I do not have any time to work on it and am not interested in working on projects with anyone else. 1) You are thinking too big to start with based on your resources; I would start with a news 2) I doubt it would be viable any time soon just covering NZ; I would throw in Australia 3) You can start this with next to no resources. You can set up a WordPress (disgusting code and hacking nightmare, but its the best out of the box) with a good theme for very little 4) It will take a long time of slogging to get anywhere, if you do get anywhere; don't give up 5) I would set it up on your own, get the ball rolling and then get someone else involved and be careful its easy to get involved with someone who will treat you badly and thing can go wrong; make sure you make a contract and know what is expected in terms of roles and commitments; agree of a process for exiting the partnership 6) I like the idea of getting an attractive girl involved, if you can find one I would recommend discarding the whole train of thought that led to you even listening to that fag and now seemingly not having enough confidence in yourself. I had a complete loser try and do the same to me when I was seventeen. He was trying to get me to go to university to do a web design course, phoning up some university and forcing me to speak to them. Before I would have even graduated I ended up getting CVs from graduates asking to work for free. Have faith in yourself. Balls to the unemployable educators. Same as above. But if you go down this route, you need to keep at it, as for a long time there will be very little to show for your efforts.

Are you adverse to voting for the Libertarian Party as a course of action on the way to your goals.

In your opinion, in what time-frame do you think it would be feasible to create an anarchist world or society? And, do you think it will be created by stepping stones?

Yes. But what are my options? Talk to my friends and try and change their minds? That is only successful and I can only do so much. Other than that I can wait for something that is unlikely to happen. The scenario that you suggest may not happen any time soon and will probably not play out as you suggest. I voted for the first time for Brexit and I used my website to promote the cause to around 4 million unique visitors. So long as the result is adhered to, this will limit immigration. I see this as a better option than sitting around and waiting for the makeup of the country to be irreparably changed, collapse and enter tribal war. I'll probably vote again in the future for UKIP. It's a bad system I don't agree with, but Christianity was better than paganism. There wasn't a button lying around at the time labeled 'Create Virtuous Society Now', there isn't now and there won't be after the seemingly inevitable social collapse that is coming. Right now I look what tools I have available to increase my own and other's liberty and use them. That includes projecting deep into the future. The way things are going, by 2100 the population of Britain will be around 90 million. Around two thirds of this will be non-British and about one third will be Muslim. At that point you can more or less forget about NAP ever being adopted.

That's all subjective. I don't give any credence to opinions that touch on economics from people, like Harris, who have essentially never had to respond to market forces in order to survive. I regularly scan the headlines of The Guardian and have yet to find a single one of their economic commentators who has done anything other than gone to university and then straight into career journalism. It is not surprising that their orthodoxy is something along the lines of "Let's get rid of [regulated] capitalism and replace it with something like sharing. Not sure what it will look like, but let's do this!" They seem to be under the impression that in the future they will just be able to ring up China and have them send over some steel for nothing. Yet my experience is that no one is more adverse to charity and sharing than the people who propose these ideas. As for Hillary Clinton being qualified on knowing how the world works, she certainly knows how to sell out a country to earn 100s of millions of dollars between her and Bill, without having to step a foot into the market; as opposed to Trump who has had to earn it by providing value in voluntary transactions with his own resources. Listening to the video of Harris above I'd also question his philosophical prowess. Suggesting that if you do not agree with my subjective positions you are mentally ill. Using loose terms. Making numerous assertions with no evidence.

That is a fairly accurate way of boiling down what I was thinking, though a bit narrower. My childhood was very good, but it left me unprepared. My view of the world and people was as a result far too positive and got me into some bad situations from being to trusting. I had realised this in the last few days, or maybe more correctly, it properly sank in. At the age of 29 I went on my first date a few days ago. I was expecting to have severe nerves for the entirety of the ensuing morning, but I was completely fine. The realisation that I can just stop limiting myself has finally sunk in; that I was made to feel certain ways in the past is not an excuse. The attitudes and behaviour of Donald Trump are what has pushed me over the edge in this regard. You must have been a bright spark to have been picking things like that up at age eleven. It took me until 15 before I began to pick up the idea of having any sort of philosophy or real curiosity; and then it was wishy-washy from only having myself to guide it and not the experiences of others. Though I guess 15 is much better than the general average of never.

I am certainly no expert, and I'm sure marriages can survive a lifetime with worse niggles, but feeling you need to hide your views for a lifetime is not a positive situation. As roughly mentioned by others, I would specifically try and talk about that issue succinctly. I have a friend who I have very different views too, but we both understand how and why we have those views and leave it at that. We discuss topics at length, but it is an exploration rather than a debate or argument. I would be looking to reach that sort of arrangement. If you have time, I'd be interested to hear about your experiences and conclusions on another thread.

Several years ago I was actively seeking to move to The Bahamas due to the tax situation there. That all ended when I looked up the annual homicide rate per 100,000: The violence of the people is a bigger threat than their government. I live in a relatively small town in the UK. Statistically there will be a homicide in the town every six years. If you transpose The Bahamas homicide rate on to my town there will be a homicide almost every two months. Living in such an environment gives you a very different mental place to live in. From my browsing of statistics, homicide rate is a fairly good indicator of a country's morality, just as IQ is a fairly good indicator of economic ability. The homicide rates in, I think, Honduras has sometimes exceeded 1 in 1,000 people being killed a year. In some Central American cities, the homicide rate is almost always over 1 in 1,000. That means you are looking at about a 1 in 15 chance of being murdered in your lifetime. A recent study of IQ from a sample of over 175,000 British students found that the average IQ of native British people is 101. If you remove native British, the relative IQ of the country falls to 94, essentially taking the UK down to the level of Eastern Europe. My main fear in life is not the state, it is the fear that the relatively stable and relatively moral places in the world are at risk of disappearing through mass immigration. If that happens, you can forget your anarchy, which is not happening any time soon. It has taken thousands of years to get from tribalism to some level of reason and empathy in some societies. You can't expect to condense at least a few more centuries of human evolution into a few years. It's going to be a slow process of each generation getting better and as things are going we'd be lucky to continue on that path. Go back 3,000 years and try and convince your tribe to operate on the basis of the NAP and watch as another tribe comes in and kills the men and takes the women as slaves. Islam has done that to the more virtuous inhabitants of the Middle East and we're watching a more modern version of the same happening now.

More stats: https://board.freedomainradio.com/topic/47491-turkey-in-the-european-union/

I'd also be interested in seeing this video. Support for sharia in Turkey: 12% Religious judges should decide family matters: 14% Suicide bombings justified: 15%

Having been reading here for a few months now, I would say that the forum is about as useful as FDR podcasts. When I was much younger I realised that unless I made a mistake I didn't really learn a lesson. Since listening to FDR, I would now say I am able to learn almost as thoroughly for hearing about others' mistakes and childhoods. Though listening has not taught me much about myself, reading here has, with small chinks of light presented disparately. Having read many horror stories here and listened to more in podcasts, there has been a strong focus on childhood abuse. I have wondered for sometime how I have adopted weaknesses in my personality, particularly interpersonal relationships. I wondered if maybe I was abused as a child, but cannot remember it. But I very much doubt that was the case. There is nothing from my childhood I can pinpoint as abuse or even particularly bad. I was not physically or emotionally abused by my parents, although other children directed abuse at me they were isolated incidents. If I look back through my life there is no single moment I can pin-point to say that is why I am like I am. Instead I would say that my perceptions have been shaped by non-abusive acts that could even be considered loving that may have had negative consequences in later life. As an example, I was almost wholly raised by my mother and grandmother. When I was young I think I realised that behaving in a cute and adorable way was something that would garner me a good response. This is not something I abused, or I was made to dance for, it was just part of an upbringing that i now think was over feminised and has poisoned my perceptions in some ways. On top of this I know that my mother's father was abusive, though I do not know to what degree. I also wouldn't be surprised if my mother's mother, who was born in Pakistan and lived in India, came from a family with a father who was abusive in some way. The only story I can remember her telling me of her father is that he ripped the wings off a living crow. As a response to this, my grandmother was very soft and loving with all her children and grandchildren. As a result I think I adopted a latent pedestalling of women, which has had a negative affect. It was never directly communicated that men are bad or worse, its just a perception that was formed from the available data; and one I now know is not true. The other way in which my perceptions have been negatively affected is via what I will term latent abuse - a slow, drip-drip of interactions etc. that alone mean little, but when taken as a whole form damaging perceptions. The most obvious way that this affected me was teachers who increasingly over the years told me I would fail, disappear into a void and only have little biting comments. I was also treated differently and single out for negative actions, while others were cherished for the most sub-mediocre of performances. Though I did very well at the start of school, by the end I had been convinced I was below average and didn't have any confidence that I could do anything, particularly on my own. When hearing about personal issues, we always hear about childhood abuse. That is the first area that is typically sought out. It's something that is easy to pin-point. But in my case these incidents don't exist. If I look back through my life I am at a loss to see how I have adopted such perceptions, as whatever has conviced me to hold them was so insignificant as to not be worth remembering. I've had/have three issues: Lack of confidence in my abilities, intelligence etc., particularly ability to do things on my own <- resolved Lack of social confidence <- I'd say 20-20% improved in the last 4 years Lack of confidence with women <- I'd say 20-20% improved in the last 4 years Though the latter two are odd in that sometime I am completely fine. I think a lot of it has to do with the people. I am fully aware of how the first was formed as it was from much more obvious stimuli, but I struggle to see how I adopted the last two, particularly as I was very popular in school until the last year and female attention has not been hard to come by. Some of the perception shaping has come through social conditioning, i.e. popular culture. And all three issues were/are to do with not feeling good enough. Questions: 1) Does anyone have any thoughts or experiences as to personal issues that have been derived from non-abusive or 'latent abuse'? 2) What are your thoughts on why people inflict 'latent abuse'? As an example, in a groups of friends there may be a 'runt', who is liked, but is the recipient of teasing which imposes on him perceptions of himself and his abilities that could like-wise be inflicted by more savage activities. A strong theme seems to be holding people back, pushing them down. For some people, having someone below you is both a confidence boost and safety mechanism. I think there can also be an aspect of anti-therapy, i.e. the attempt to make yourself better by making someone else feel worse - similar to the above. The main teacher who sought to make me tiny obviously had so much pain to deal with that he seemed to think he could relieve himself by giving it to me, or his daughter who was often spoke to as a piece of garbage at the same time he was unloading on me. For me the crux of this behavior is: others seek to impose limitation on you, you choose to accept these perceptions as your own. Children don't have the weapon of philosophy to combat anti-logic.

Crossed-wires on not a great place. It seemed to me that you are not in a good mental place with statements like: - So I offer my vulnerability, again and again - I do not know if I can keep going Now I read your post again, I can see it is a bit more bitter-sweet and you seem to be focused on self improvement? On 'people expect little', you said: - I now appear as a weak animal expected to be eaten by it's own kind. - They tell me it is hopeless that there is no end to this prison. I'm not sure who these people are, but it doesn't seem they expect much of you. As mentioned, I have had a similar experience. It appears that whatever way you have been treated is more obtrusive to the latent drip-drip of casual disregard and demoralisation I received. Little was expected of me and I chose to accept other's limited views of me as my own. I'm not sure if that is relevant to you as you've not gone into specifics and there is only so much you can communicate in a few hundred words. But from what you have communicated, it seemed like it is.

Yes, I do think it was a good thing. Up to that point I was under the impression that there was a heath service that I could go to that would fix my problems. I've since found out that is not the case and that if I have health problems I am going to have to sort them out myself. It was also a good thing as the NHSs refusal to service me was what forced me down to my lowest point, at which I decided to ignore the limitations I had placed on myself. If I hadn't had this experience I probably would have meandered through life in a more average way. And yes, they probably would have pumped me full of drugs that could have become life-long crutches. My mother was dumped onto drugs, which they pescribed her because they refused to diagnose her. I've written more about NHS experiences here: https://board.freedomainradio.com/topic/47602-my-socialisedrationed-healthcare-disasters/ Yes this makes sense.

I did say I could be wrong with what I said. They were just my thoughts. On depression. Yes, it's a bold claim that will offend people who want to defer responsibility for their current life choices, but from my experience of people with depression I think it is the correct analysis in most circumstances. If you are depressed it will be due to factors in your life. As an adult those factors will be under your control. If you choose not to change them, then it is a choice to be depressed. It's easier to make the choice to wallow in the life-destroying waters of depression than it is to begin climbing the mountain of confronting your past, present and future; and what is really going on in your mind. From what I have seen people get addicted to the negative spiral of depression, just as they can become addicted to the negative spiral of drug abuse, bulimia and cutting. For whatever reasons, self-abuse is a common human response to mistreatment. Again, I could be wrong with everything I said. I was just offering my perspective from having come from a similar, but less sever background. I replied to your thread as well, but it has gone to moderation. I also have a similar background to yourself. If I could rewind myself five years, I may come out with various deferments for my then situation: it was my parents' fault, it was my teachers' fault, it was the NHS' fault, it was societies' fault. It would be true that all of them had dealt me blows or were presenting challenges, but I was an adult and refusing to move past all of the related issues and staying in a sorry-for-myself state. The route out was rejecting all the limitations which had been placed on me. I did not take ownership of the unenlightened ways in which I was treated, just the unenlightened way I was dealing with it. If someone told myself five years ago that my then situation was my fault I probably would have thought it was insensitive, but it turned out to be true.

My first thought from reading your post is the nature of hens, the animal. When one of them becomes injured, the others will peck it to death; and thus those dumb beasts are consigned to living in their own feces for as long as humans deem them worth keeping around. If humans had been so discriminate, they would not have made it out of the caves. That you think differently could be a sign of higher levels of development and thus not inferior. You have a way with words. What you wrote was quite poetic, particularly the start. You used metaphor to describe what would otherwise be bland, yet I fully understood what you wanted to communicate and was not left confused as to your meanings as typical overuse of metaphor does. I have a similar background to yourself, though not so severe. Throughout much of my younger years I felt a sense of inferiority to people my age because I virtually never went to the cool places young people went to: loud bars and clubs. I was practically never invited to these places and when I did I generally didn't enjoy it. Last year I realised that I should not have to feel the need to be in such places that I don't like just because of ill-founded social pressure; and I look at the people who have spent 12+ years going to them and see it's been a big negative for them. There are lots of people in this world, with many different characteristics. They each have different things they can offer as a result. The people who have to offer the most are the outliers. The people who do what no one else is doing are the people who history remembers most. It's the pack that is inferior and the weight on progress. You're probably just different. If you were to travel back in time 3,000 years to pagan Europe, the likes of Bill Gates would be the types to be deliberately killed in a 'hunting accident'. For the history of humans, outliers have always been marginalised. It is only in recent times that we have really been able to see what the likes of women and beta males can offer; and I think there is far more that can be unlocked. The state school system sure isn't unlocking it. As for the loose suicidal (I think) comment; I could have done myself in, in the past, but I'm glad I did not. It is a combination of everything I have been through and my unorthodox way of doing almost everything that made me an outlier and seen as weak, weird etc. But it's also what has made me more interesting and successful that most people. There is a quote from Joe Rogan I like: "Everyone I know that is interesting has overcome adversity." Right now it seems like you are not in a great position and that people around you expect little. What you are going through most people do not have to deal with. Push through and there will be rewards, especially if you find one thing to work on and never give up. Your gifts are not the ones that are given to most, which probably means they are better. "Resistance builds strength" - Stef "Life has a habit of hiding your greatest gifts and presenting them as your worst nightmares" - David Icke "It wasn't youth, it wasn't life Born old, sadly wise Resigned (well, we were) To ending our lives I'm so glad to grow older To move away from those awful times I want to see all my friends tonight" - Morrissey