PatrickC

I'm gonna take your word for it. I'm already blown away by yours and James current creation.

Yes, much has been said about how feminism negatively effects men, which it does of course and perhaps in more deleterious ways even. But I think it's definately useful to point out the negative effects it has on women. It's also perhaps the best way to start deconstructing this ideology to its eventual detriment and downfall. Given how as a species we are more inclined to protect women than men.

Neeeel I recommend you read this forum post about the topic. https://board.freedomainradio.com/topic/39518-the-forum-a-couple-grievences-i-have/?hl=downvoting#entry362165 The voting system whilst certainly not perfect has been rather instrumental in filtering out some of the endless threads and obvious troublemakers that used to occur a lot in the past. Being a relatively new member you might not be aware of that of course. Unfortunately you will always get a handful of people that will downvote people unreasonably. This is often countered by people that will notice that and upvote them accordingly. I've had my fair share of downvotes myself. Sometimes it has given me pause and at other times I understand I've probably unwittingly triggered someone through no fault of my own or my argument.

From a purely pragmatic stance, the EU is just another tier of govt that we could do without. It's not really so much about the money as it is the legislation it imposes and mostly the effects on immigration it has. However, it seems that similar to national govts around the world, the EU is prone to taking it's legislative lead from the UN. So leaving the EU is unlikely to change things a lot in that regard. However, it is likely (at least in the short term) to stem the flow of current immigration. Whereby immigrants that enter other countries in the EU who then descend on Britain (with relative ease) as their go to place for eventual settlement will have to go through the normal channels to enter the country. Of course it's highly feasible that successive British govts can just open the doors wider to non EU residents. Given current govts obsessive need to see continued GDP growth in their economies which population increases nearly always provide, it's potentially a given that they will do this, regardless of having EU membership. So it's a lot of ifs, buts and maybes of course. One reason the EU remains is because it provides many ex european national MP's with some nice ready made cushy jobs for them. For which the renumeration and benefits are enormous to them.

It's interesting that you would risk being banned again on this forum, by linking to the same material. The artist certainly dances on thin ice with her material and is highly controversial. I remember the artist well and recall the pictures of her children without having to look at them thankfully and yes they are very beautifully done as I remember. However, those pictures would be considered as child pornography in the UK. At least similar pictures have convicted people of the crime for merely being in possession of them. I would hope a forum like FDR was a place I wouldn't find myself innocently clicking on a link to that would put me in possession of child pornography. I would personally advise you to remove the link to the pictures, which are likely to be removed in a similar manner to that of the Facebook group. But mostly because there's an important discussion to have here about child automony and parental responsibility. Legalities aside, It's well known that children will accept and comply with their parents wishes, even joyfully so. Which later in adulthood they may regret agreeing too. I think it's reasonable to question the parents motives here for taking these pictures and then making them public. There might be a case for parents having a private album of pictures with the childs consent. But parents should understand that children are likely to have very different feelings about their nudity being made public once they become an adult. It also potentially opens the way for all kinds of predators that might seek them out, either now or in the future. On an aside I think you're right there is a double standard when it comes to men as opposed to women consuming and producing this kind of content. I think this artist would have had a much more negative (possibly criminal investigation) reaction to her pictures if she had been a man. However, I don't think this is what the admins on the Facebook group were doing to you. They were probably looking at it from the childs perspective.

I've been knocking around the manosphere for some time now and none of this really suprises me. I'm no particular fan of Roosh and his Neomasculine approach, other than enjoying some of his commentary about the culture men find themselves in. Also his recognition that the Left are one of the biggest enemies of men. However, there were other PUA guys before Roosh, names of which escape me now, but they did exist, same with MGTOW too. It could be argued that Stefan himself coined the red pill phrase way back in 2005 too. Although you generally find that people often use the same cultural references in unison when new ideas get discussed, so it's probably a moot point. I tend to have an uneasy (silent) relationship with many of the different hues and opinions that goes on in the manosphere. But I still find it deeply fascinating all the same. However, whilst it's true that MGTOW have always had an uneasy relationship with the PUA. Lately it seems many of its bigger and now lesser exponents of MGTOW have been busy doing hit pieces on anyone that offers them the slightest of criticism. Their own criticism tends to nearly always descend into venomous name calling, baseless assertions and confirmation bias. Their shrillness in defending themselves only gives away how panicy, irresolute and unsure of their position they are. Mostly coming from those that call themselves 'anti tradcons' or 'anti traditionalists'. Of course not all exponents of MGTOW feel this way, it's mainly coming from the more vocal ones and the ones of their audience. So it seems the manosphere is on the virge of a split. A lesser known split occured between the reactosphere and the manosphere. But that seemed to split with far less venom and a lot more gentlemanly like. Arguably their differences were far more controversial too. I have no idea what will happen to MGTOW, but compared with all the other ideas that get discussed on the manosphere, MGTOW seems to have very little to offer men, other than just opting out (Spetsnaz excepted). In terms of progress, I see very little coming from the MGTOW community, which is probably why Roosh sees it as disappearing altogether in the future. All said and done, this is just my opinion. Arguments like this are to be expected amongst men. One thing men tend to have on their side (biologically) is a healthy dose of realism followed by a pragmatic search for the most effective solution for themselves. So we'll see I guess.

Yes, I had that feeling of regret for almost 2/3 years. I wished that I had discovered these ideas in my teens when I was first starting out in life. Those romantic liasons would never have happened and I wouldn't have wasted my time on the grief associated with them thereafter either. I also would have been young enough to overcome the rejection from my family. As making lifelong friends is much easier in ones 20's of course. In many ways I had to grieve for that lost part of my life as part of my process for recovery. The grief being for my lack of knowledge (at the time) and having become so harsh on myself. There is also a danger that we reinflict that harshness on ourselves if we become entrenched in those regrets. These were quite painful recollections to finally understand and accept, but entirely necessary for me to go through. I think 'regret' about our past choices is perhaps the last but hardest hurdle to overcome within our age group, after all the rest. At least it has seemed that way for me.

Unfortunately my first post got moderated. So I'm sorry if this is out of context for you. Hopefully my previous post will arrive soon. But I wanted to add that I also have experienced grief regarding the decisions of my close family to not accept any culpability for the things they did or that other family members did. I think this is the hardest part of all, particularly in ones middle age. I felt the cold harsh reality of feeling very alone in the world. At a time in my life when I should have been enjoying a family of my own. There was a lot of incentives for me to discard philosophy and new information altogether for the imediate comfort and relief of old relationships.

I'm very sorry to hear about the relationship grief you're experiencing. I'm 46 and before I discovered philosophy/self knowledge (2008) I had two very special romantic relationships in my past that both fell apart in quite painful ways. Both of which continued to blight any future relationships I would have. I'd say it's a plus that you at least recognise this grief as hampering your further development. Most people in a similar situation often never realise it. So if it's any help, after some studious time in therapy and learning first principles I have managed to turn this old tanker around. I'm still single, but feeling much better prepared for any future romantic relationship I may have. In my case I think it helped that I had no children, wasn't married and my social network were all but slowly disappearing into their individual family lives.

There is no doubting that PUA teaches you the benefits of a good posture. It comes more highly recommended than the way I was taught at private school, from my ex millitary teachers. "SHOULDERS BACK BOY, FOR CHRISTS SAKE!!" To this day I still jump out of bed every morning and immediately straighten my back.

Ha, 'the fuzz' was only ever a term I heard for the police when I went to football matches with my father back in the 1970's in the UK. Normally uttered by what were probably football hooligans at the time, who were attempting to avoid getting 'nicked' (arrested) for beating each other up. Other than a few old punk tunes, I've never heard it used since. Anyway, welcome to the forum.

Tried this a lot in my 30's and whilst the sex was great for sure. All those relationships drifted apart as soon as either one of us became involved in a monogamous relationship. As for Roosh, I'll take a look at his book and only because I like him as a writer and commentator of the world. I doubt he can give me any more tips on getting punani mind.

JP, I say go for it, if that's what you really want to do. Not my thing, but hell, not like it will stop you from doing other productive things as well! It's not a moral issue either. You can rethink your decision to do so at a later date.

I thought it was interesting that you included 'Somewhat' in the title of this thread. So perhaps you might extrapolate on the ambivilence you had of your experience in Catholic school. On an aside, whilst my own experience of both private and public school was truly horrible. I do know that old friends of mine that went to British grammar schools claimed to have had a much better time of it. However, these schools get to pick the top 10% of pupils in the area, so their IQ's were likely to be that much higher than those in public school. Although my issue with private school were mostly to do with the teachers rather than the other pupils.

Well said Davies

Yes, I think this should serve as a warning to philosophical fathers of young men out there. Let your sons know about this type of behaviour in some women. I would be pretty mortified myself if I found out my own son had been engaging with a woman in this way.

I'm motivated by being the best that I can be, in something that I connect with.

It worked for me, but then again I might be accessing it from an Itunes European server perhaps. Try this otherwise. http://cdn.freedomainradio.com/FDR_2969_Call_In_Show_06_May_2015.mp3 Which is a direct link to here, if you cannot access the above: http://www.fdrpodcasts.com/#/2969/police-ambivalence-call-in-show-may-6th-2015

Personally I have not much interest in politics. But I found the results from yesterdays vote to exemplify rather well how dysfunctional democratic systems really are. Even by their own standards.

A Facebook interview after her January speech at the UN. Brace yourselves.

Looks like things are hotting up with the future of the Euro http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/greek-pensioners-start-bank-runs-after-payments-delayed-10218114.html

I think if they were to have a discussion, it wouldn't be around anarchism, because as people have already mentioned they would probably be in agreement. At least regarding the statement the OP cited. Any interesting discussion would be more focused around values and ethics I think. I could probably see Harris being interested in the peaceful parenting argument too.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/womens-life/11569484/Sexual-harassment-Women-objectify-men.-But-wolf-whistling-is-criminal.html Clearly another example of women running to the state to assuage their hurt feelings. But this isn't the reason for my posting this article. It's never been my schtick to approach women in this manner ever. But I will say that I've seen men on an 'R' mating strategy where this worked in 1/10 times for them. That there are women that will melt when a man does this to them. But that aside. When I really considered what was going on in these kinds of interactions, it wasn't just about quick access to available pussy for them. But that this strategy was a way these men avoided the humiliation of being rejected by them. I say this because it's the women in this article that claim to have been humiliated by these men. So I have to wonder whether this is a 'walk a mile in a mans shoes' for them and they seriously don't like it. It's also kind of well known amongst us guys, that we can often use humour as a means to deflecting humiliation. Anyway the irony with all these punitive attempts by women is that it will probably just encourage the cat calling imo. As attempts to undermine this behaviour with the force of the state will just excerbate the behaviour further in these men, as they seek to avoid feelings of rejection. Women really need to open a dialogue with men, as to understanding how men feel about female rejection before resorting to such tactics. Women in the past just ignored it, understanding it was a part of life. But perhaps now it has come to the point where if women really want to understand this behaviour in some men, then they need to look inward at themselves and consider why some men think this strategy is productive for them. As us philosophers know only too well, it's only empathy that has any chance of unpicking the root causes of these issues. Any thoughts?

Adding to this, this is where you can be your most effective as a man and father I think. I had some half decent male role models, but man they could have been better, particularly my father. Looking for his back where it's needed, particularly with the ladies in his life. Ask him questions about his girlfriend. Is she a good person. How does he consider beauty over the virtue of being with a good mother for his children. Talk about your own failures in past relationships, particularly the one with his mother. There are so many things to discuss with him before atheism I feel. Connect with his life in a way that is meaningful and helpful to him. Somebody that he can admire and turn to when he needs genuine male guidance.

In fairness asking this board to explain UPB for you would be quite the task. I suggest you field some more specific and pertinent questions around this philosophical formula of UPB. That way people can try and help you more accurately with any confusion you're having with it.