MysterionMuffles

I used to enjoy this Facebook group's post because it was undoing the shallowness of most women who look only for resources or attractiveness. They support women in looking for partners who would fulfill them intellectually and emotionally...but then this post happens, what do you guys think? Original post with meme: https://www.facebook.com/WhatEvolvedWomenWant/photos/a.260087847428215.39706.259983074105359/545113728925624/?type=1

Interesting thoughts, Ruben, I appreciate it. Though I'd argue that we should make this list before we can narrow how a person scores a combination of these traits. We'd have to know what they are first right?

If love is our involuntary reaction to virtue, what is virtue other than moral excellence? At its most basic definition, virtue is having high moral standards. And that just sounds abstract since morality it self is hard to define, so let's explore it further. What I would like to do in this thread is help compile a list of virtuous traits one could possess in order to be virtuous. To be a moral person you must at least possess a few of these traits, and if you possess them all, then awesome! I think this list could help people know what to look for in potential mates if we're going to accept that love is our involuntary reaction to virtue. Honesty Generosity Curiosity Compassion Empathy And of course, people are free to argue whether or not certain traits or actions are virtuous at all.

Since there are similarities, knowing the differences between our views would help bridge the gap if there are any significant differences that might need work. I don't mind. Why am I arguing this? I'm not so much arguing it as opposed to seeing where everyone else comes from. I already had my argument in mind when I posted this, but I always like to see what others think initially and it's been interesting to see how one can give reasons why we should be virtuous aside from simply fuck evil! The goal I had in mind was to add to my conscience arguement, so for Carl to point out that shouds require ifs, MRW adding that one cannot be loved without virtue, and then of course the various economic arguments others went over--all of this has helped solidify my already existant desire to be virtuous. What I would like to come from my argument is others to accept if it's reasonable to them as well that we require virtue to have a clean enough conscience to function in society and our relationships. As for how do I define virtue and what actions count? I would like to make another thread about it actually

I think it would fall under in addition to fraud. The 30 year old would be using their knowledge and experience to exploit the naivity of a 10 year old. Most molestations aren't outright forced sex, rather an adult grooming the child for some time before making their move. Almost akin to a man picking up a woman...except you know...exploiting the child's need for approval, love, and attention, as well as expoiting the fact that they don't have a connection with their parents--against them. I want to know if there's any proof of this, but I do whole heartedly accept Stefan's argument that the children that get molested are ony able to be molested because their predators can sense that the child won't tell their parents, and if they did, they would not be believed. So perhaps it does go against UPB to rape a child even if they consent to it. It's using the principles of fraud to enact. I would go insofar as to say that it's UPB to not be exploited for your lack of knowledge or experience in and outside of sex.

Yeah...I TRIED to watch Amy Schumer's sketch show because I did like one of her stand ups...but her skits are kinda more depressing than they are funny. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqo3aLw0WtI There's a missing scene, but basically at the end, she's at a cemetery getting a grave dug for the man because she plans to marry and grow old with him. Then he rejects her over the phone, and she ends up sad for a split second before she starts hitting on the undertaker.

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Then would delaying gratification count as a virtue? Also what do you think of my argument about morality's effect on one's conscience?

Thanks Pat I might wanna join this installment of the film club if you've got room.

Why do we enjoy sharing our tastes and interests with other people? I've noticed I get a great deal of joy from sharing music, books, movies, and TV shows with people, and for some reason so much more enjoyable when experienced with other people. Then there's also this other side of sharing when someone has a certain interest that I wouldn't particularly care for on my own, but because someone is excited about it, I'm happy to hear about it anyway. For instance, I have a friend who is really big into indoor gardening, and that's something I wouldn't look into on my own, but when he talks about, his pleasure is my pleasure. Your thoughts?

It's okay to be turned on, but another thing to be striving to emulate such dysfunction. Not gonna lie, women in porn who are just always sooo horny that they can't "stop cumming," turn me on. But I'm not gonna look for a woman in real life who has a high and unsatiable sex drive, that would actually be draining and an indication she has nothing else going for her. I could be wrong, there might be women with unsatiable sex drives that are also driven with ambition and possibly virtue, but highly unlikely. So omegahero, I can see where you're coming from. It totally makes sense.

Thanks for the replies guys. I think empathizing with the child is much more important than shaming and confronting the parent in these situations. It might give the impression to the child that we are indeed in a dog eat dog world. Sure to some degree they'll think "yes someone's standing up for me," but it's also causing more unease and conflict. Whereas being empathized with is more in the lines of "I just had conflict with my parent(s), but now that it's done, someone knows how I feel about it and was there for me." I could be wrong, but I think child abuse interventions where the focus is on interacting with the parent, most likely in a confrontational manner, might be more detremental than helpful. Especially if you waver in your confidence and get eaten up by the parent's aggression.

This is such a groovy and upbeat song, it makes me feel like I'm on cloud 9.

if he's okay with priests molesting little boys, of course he'd be okay with spanking them and little girls as well

I personally think we should be virtuous so we could have a clear conscience. Consciously choosing evil for an extended period of time tends to wear on you, you need to come up with expo facto justifications for your actions, but those usually include double think. And of course a lot of self convincing when it's really self manipulation. It also robs you of agency. For instance, if I was a kleptomaniac, I'd have to reason myself into believing I have every right to steal everything I have. "The world has stolen from me," "it's hard to find a job," "my job doesn't pay enough." etc. Making excuses for yourself, especially when it comes to enacting evil robs you of rationally and sanity with your conscience. To be virtuous means to accept and respect UPB, and of course enact certain virtues such as honesty, compassion and consistency. Consistency might be the most important factor in why we should be virtuous, because only a virtuous person has consistency with their beliefs, thoughts, and actions, as opposed to all the self deception required to uphold an evil lifestyle. Having done evil consistently without recognizing your wrongdoings and having the inability to admit fault wears on your conscience to the point of straining your interactions with other people. Despite of whatever evil people have done, whether recent, or further back into past and no longer enacting anymore at present--I think without the self knowledge it requires to explore the root causes of your actions and self justifications, would cause you to always be on guard. So even if you've stopped taking evil actions, without having addressed the reality of it, you might come across virtuous people who would want to reach out to you, but you can't reach back because your conscience holds too much guilt and remorse you're failing to acknowledge. I think we should be virtuous because in the long run it really is more profitable. In order to succeed in life and relationships, we require consistency, not with just our habits and actions, but with our own consciences. Being virtuous and attracting virtuous relationships require a healthy conscience. We should be virtuous if we want to be happy. Yeah sure, there are evil people out there who are very successful and have a lot of connections, and of course they enjoy themselves to a certain degree, but I don't think one could be evil AND happy. They are evil because they are unhappy. Or vice versa. If we accept that reason = virtue = happiness, evil people have horrible reasoning for their actions and behaviours.

http://www.thestar.com/news/insight/2015/02/08/planting-false-memories-fairly-easy-psychologists-find.html

how is vritue more profitable in long term? good point. Does it make other people evil by enabling the evil, or do are they exempt from the term, but still need to be held accountible for their lack of integrity?

If being evil is more profitable and virtue does not guarantee happiness at our current state as a species, why should one be virtuous? (I'm not saying that I'd want to turn to the dark side because it's easier, with the progress I've made, I think it'd be much more difficult to be evil. Just curious.)

I have just written a new blog post about why I think we are drawn to fiction. Check it out and let me know what you think http://yourwritetolive.com/2015/02/06/the-very-heart-and-soul-of-fiction/

oh yeah, I forgot about how much I wanted to watch it before. Thanks for the reminder!

Has anyone ever recommended a video game in this forum before? If not, let me be the first by sharing this indie beauty I discovered: Rewinding time to redo mistakes and even redo social interactions has been a fantasy of mine. I whole heartedly accept that the only way in life is forward, for sure, but playing this game does entice that part of me that does wonder what it would be like to control time and see how different choices would play out. And that's one of the few things I do love about this game; the amount of different choices you can make in how you interact with the other characters, for each choice has a consequence. Sometimes what's convenient in the moment might be a detrement in the future, and you're better off taking the high road now for a greater gain later. Other times, it's not so clear what the cost and benefit are. There's no right or wrong, only what is. The writers of this game understand and embrace that. Speaking of which, the witty, realististic, and modern dialogue really grounds this game into something relatable. Each character sounds and acts unique in the way they speak, thus allowing Max to connect with each other in unique ways. Even in exploration mode when you're not really pushing the story forward, interacting with every possible character on each section helps bring the story to life when you're digging up some extra info around the main plot points. Deciding how you interact with each character and the affects of those choices drastically and subtly change the outcome of later interactions, and I'm guessing some of the things I've done in this episode have yet to manifest the consequences in the later episodes. I won't get into the details of the plot here--I hope the trailer did it enough justice--but to end this geek out, I would also like to point out that Life is Strange has one of the best soundtracks and visual style (even if it looks like glorified PS2 graphics). I don't even listen to indie music, but their indie song choice in each bit of the game fits perfectly well with the hand painted environment and nostalgic atmosphere. You can get this game on Steam, Xbox360/One or PS3/4 for $5-6. It's episode 1 of 5, and the developers have set a schedule to publish each episode 6 weeks apart from each other. If this sells well, they're considering making a second season, and I would love for that to happen because for a stand alone, I am already enveloped by the game's mechanics and narrative.

well I mean the writing doesn't look like it's skewed in a way to really look like it's on the board. The writing is too upright while the board is leaning forward a bit if you know what I mean. Hence, photoshopped.

that is soooooooooo shooped

Nice. Thanks for the update, man! It looks like you've found a good mix between remembering trauma, but also maintaining your composure so that you can observe it without getting lost and attached to it. I'm not sure to what degree that may be disacociating, as it's recommended to feel your inner child's feelings fully, but if meditating while going with the motions helps you give the space to think about your past traumas better, then I don't see the problem. I would like to know more about what you thought of The Power of Now, unless you mean to say that it inspired the very idea of meditation for you. Because the ego identification Eckhart writes about, now that you mention IFS, I think can go hand in hand with IFS. While the ego he refers to is singular, I think what he really means is all the different roles we identify with, and could really mean the IFS/mecosystem.

With the right people they'll recognize it, meanwhile it seems there are others who are halfway through connecting with their experience, but cut it off when you show them that empathy. Almost as if it's their own burden to deal with and no one else's to care about. Yeah kinda like what Pat says here basically. YES! That's a part of it. Despite of being an empirical person, I still wish the misfortune hadn't befallen certain people when they share their experiences with me. It could be that they have internalized voices that are comitted to self erasure. Hmm...not being used to being apologized to can play a big part as well. That's what I think sometimes. I'm apologizing on behalf of the circumstance or the person that has caused them harm because the actual circumstance or person can't or won't apologize to them. Hmm that's something that's off putting for me when someone says "oh it was alright." That's an interesting take as well, being used to automatic kind of responses due to accidental things. That's the problem though, if they talk about deep rooted stuff that happened to them and say "it's alright," it is downplaying what they've been through as if it's like you stubbed their toe by accident.