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This is very fascinating. It's making me think about songs from my past. Can't really respond too much right now as my thoughts are not together. The one thing that I do know is that once you've gotten past whatever emotional hangup the music is attached to, you can once again enjoy the music. Case in point: Adagio for Strings by Samuel Barber. When my dad had me and my sister in the car after my parents divorced he literally played this on a cd player over and over the whole drive. It was awful. Now, it's one of my favorite pieces of music without any attachment to those times in my life. So on the one hand, these songs are like torturers. On the other, they are pointing you toward things you need to face which you may be avoiding. Just a thought.

All alcohol and alcohol creating processes will be destroyed tomorrow. Many people will suffer. What is the solution to this problem? Who cares? It's not a real problem. I'm not going to waste my time on it.

Armitage, I didn't listen to you on the show, but if Stef wasn't his "usual understanding, patient and compassionate self", that means he was being lied to. That means the person talking to him was not interested in truth. I've heard him like this before. See, eventually, after you've gone round and round for who knows how long, and have dragged who knows how many people through your mud, you're going to realize that there is one common denominator; you. Until you realize that there is a MASSIVE BLIND SPOT for you called "childhood", you'll never figure this out. This is why I stopped engaging with you and have encouraged others to do so. You're not interested in truth. You want to win; likely because with your parents you always lost. If you want to talk about your parents and your childhood, I'll be first in line to engage you. Not because it's "the right thing to do" or some stupid shit like that, but because I think you're pretty cool. I think you have a hell of a lot to offer. I think you're crazy smart. And I think none of that will matter if you don't address your past. It doesn't matter how much logic and empirical evidence there is, if you have emotional blocks on something, game over. The only thing you are proving here is that intellectual learning is secondary to self-knowledge. Armitage, get out of the on-deck circle and step up into the batter's box.

So what you're saying is, my choice to skip the first part of the show was a good one. Cool. What I want to know is why people on the board would think that Armitage arguing with Stef would produce different results from the last month of back and forth.

Hey Sasha, did you try the voice journaling? If so, how's it going for you?

Wow, great stuff going on in here. I wanted to humbly add my half a cent to the conversation. When you become knowledgeable and comfortable with who you are, the dynamics of finding someone to talk with reverses. Instead of finding someone to tag along with, your personality will become like a gravity well bringing into your orbit the right people. And you will be naturally curious about who you are attracting.

^what he said

I think you might be surprised with the type of response you'd get from an interaction like that. They may even ask you to hang around for a while. (unless you let your grubby hands do some unwanted roaming! lol)

1369: Tricky Trollz!http://cdn.media.freedomainradio.com/feed/FDR_1369_Tricky_Trollz.mp3 1512: Troll Spotting - A Conversationhttp://cdn.media.freedomainradio.com/feed/FDR_1512_troll_spotting_convo.mp3425: Anger and Evolutionhttp://cdn.media.freedomainradio.com/feed/FDR_425_Anger_And_Evolution.mp3537: Board Etiquettehttp://cdn.media.freedomainradio.com/feed/FDR_537_Board_Etiquette.mp3Bronze Level Podcast -> Troll Spotting: Part 1 and Part 2------I'm making my way through these podcasts today. When I read your posts, Lians, I felt anxiety, probably because I felt I had allowed my ego, once again, to provoke people who I thought were acting in a far from desirable manner. This could actually be the case. But the more I'm listening to these podcasts and reading through RTR this afternoon, the more comfortable I'm feeling with the actions I initially took and the tone that I struck.I find it interesting that in my original post I never used a "!" or all caps, cursing or name calling. Yet, when you quoted me back, you added a "!". Is it fair to assume that when you read my post you heard a raised voice? Maybe saw a finger pointing?I think that I do have a considerable amount of patience, but it is not infinite by any means. I went back to see when all this began for me...http://board.freedomainradio.com/topic/37523-why-is-peaceful-parenting-possible-but-peaceful-government-not-possible/?p=344397All of this trolling has been going on for over a month, not a week.Anyway, I'm still thinking through it. Again, thanks for your thoughtful replies, Lians.Edit: I'm still pondering it, but the "You Lack Empathy!" section of RTR is standing out for me. (pg 65 in the PDR, pg 79 in the printed book)

Lians, I've thought about what you've said. I think there is merit to what you're saying. However, I believe you're applying RTR inappropriately in this situation. You presented two possibilities: 1. People can't be aware 2. People are aware and are using 10th degree black belt moves i'm unaware of In my previous post, I had suggested a different scenario in that people had forgotten. In other words, they are capable of knowing, but have been caught up in the situation. I believe this to be the case. I don't think people engaged in this conversation are morons, nor do I believe they are total experts with secret moves i know nothing about. I believe they are human and have gotten sucked into an intellectual black hole. Could I be wrong? Absolutely. And if you believe that I am, please explain why so that I can learn from the mistake. Tomorrow is a day off for me. I will take the time to locate the podcast you're talking about. I will also locate some podcasts that support my position. Thanks for the reply

Lians, so I should be less empathetic with people who have very little idea what's going on?? That doesn't make any sense. Plus, please explain how I was showing a lack of empathy. I'm very interested to understand your point of view on that. You haven't pm'd me. How am I suppose to know the contents of a conversation you have with someone else?Well of course engaging in fruitless debate has deep and painful roots. That's why I'm vehemently encouraging everyone to stop. If someone is walking in front of a moving bus, I'm not going to be polite about getting them off the street. Lack of empathy is allowing someone to continue to abuse themselves and others. Even in a passive aggressive semi-anonymous manner.

Is it really worth it? Does it make sense to continue to waste your time with someone who's mind you're not going to change? Before you engage with someone, you need to make sure they know how to think. If they don't, it doesn't matter what you say. It is not anyone's duty to convert the whole world to an-cap. If you were a professional opera singer, you don't just walk up to anyone and say "i know how to make you an opera singer. This is how." You'd wait for someone who is curious to come to you. You can help this happen by putting out feelers and being curious if a person can think. You don't put someone who hasn't even got a driver's license into a spaceship. What's sad is that all of you should know this already. The philosophy learned here is not like just another world view, or political perspective. It is not something you go to battle for. To treat it as such by fruitlessly going back and forth on a message board is, quite frankly, disgraceful. You either never understood this or have forgotten. It's one thing to engage like this for a short amount of time, but this has been going on for way over a week. While you're wasting your time on someone who will never hear you, there is someone else out there who will listen that is missing out on the wonderful things you might have said. The only reason I've taken this tone is because those of you engaged here are not noobies. Also, the argument that this might be an exercise to get better at arguing your position is a bad one. To get better at something you need accurate feedback. You're not getting any here. You need to be able to succeed and fail. The only thing happening here is hitting your head on a brick wall.

Thaaaat's the stuff we wanted Excellent post, Morse! And great insight into yourself! Idolization is more about putting yourself down, than it is lifting someone else up. It may continue to take time for you to realize that you are not below others, but keep trying every single day. The more you do something, the easier it gets. (quick note: don't put yourself above them either. Just see things as they truly are.) Let's say you could go back and "redo" your interaction with those band members. But this time, RTR it. How would it go? What would you say? edit: Wanted to add that idolization is the passive aggressive form of self-chastisement for not being good enough. When I said I've never idolized before, that doesn't mean I never chastised myself. I was always direct with the self-punishment. Like a hammer to the cortex :-/. The results are the same, though. 2nd Edit: I'm going to go out on a flimsy limb and suggest that maybe the reason you're passive aggressively chastising yourself by idolizing a female band has something to do with the way your mom "corrected" your behavior? Is there a blind spot for you there?

I don't think you were comforting your inner child, I think he was comforting you. "How long has it been (since I talked to/acknowledged you)?" Was there a moment 6 months ago, even a brief one, where you were perhaps forced to look inward, but when you did you turned away?

This seems to be a case of see only what you want to see. Japanese culture is so sexually repressed that little girls in school uniforms are considered highly sexually desired. And you can buy used women's panties out of a vending machine. They can make porn, but the naughty bits have to be blurred out. American culture, whatever that is, is not perfect and can't ever be perfect. Neither is any other culture. I don't think adopting one cult in spite of another is the way to go. Culture is the social norm that allows people to commit evil acts without reprisal. How about instead of trading one culture, one religion, one government for another, we just stop using them altogether. I'd like to see all people behave courteously toward one another and love themselves enough that soiled panties hanging in a vending machine arouse no desire.

Welcome, Kenny! I, too, was introduced to all this mess via Ron Paul. Politics suck. Don't worry, you'll get there. I missed the 11/20/13 show. Will you link it here when it gets posted?

Anybody ever play the game "the floor is lava! Don't step on the floor!" ?? to this day, i have PTSD when i walk on floors Fantasy is like everything else. Moderation. Does candy kill? Sure, if you eat enough of it. Does candy delight? Sure, if you eat only some of it. Same with fantasy. Fantasy allows the mind to become unrestricted by the confines of immediate reality. It is the birthing ground of future invention.

You come here to work with Stefan, not against him. Do you understand how odd that statement is? And forgive me if I'm coming across as rude. That is not my intent. Again, if you are just here for Stef, email him. It's much more direct than posting on a message board. Why only work with Stef? Work with him on what? You do realize that FDR is not Stef, right? I'm just totally confused about what you're doing. You post a very odd video. You claim the information is new, but from what i've seen (and can understand), it's not new at all; just the same old stuff repackaged. (it's completely laced with new age and biblical terminology and metaphors). And you keep talking (or i should more accurately say 'passively implying') about Stef as if he's some kind of guru. My alarm bells are going ringy dingy. Maybe I just don't understand. Please explain, if you wish, what your video is about. I'm not Stef and don't have a direct line to him. Nor do I ever talk with him, so it may be a waste of your time to talk with me. this is the face i'm making edit: It's also interesting how you misrepresented the wise man/fool thing. The wise man knows that he knows not and is therefore curious. The fool says, "I am this". The way you stated it, it was like you're trying to call yourself wise, without saying you're wise. I'm just really confused, dude. edit 2: Why are you trying to market this content to kids? It kinda freaks me out. If i had kids, I would not let them see this.

What you just described is admiration, not idolization. However, what you experienced when meeting that band was the result of idolization. In other words, i'm not buying it, Morse! Tell me what you experience when you think about that band. What makes them stick in your brain. What makes them so special for you. Do you fantasize (not sexually, not what i'm talking about) about them? If you admired these people as you just described, then meeting them would not make you nervous, it would make you excited and inquisitive. If you had one chance to talk to members of a band, and when that chance came there wasn't a line, wouldn't you stay and pick their brain as long as you could? What's with the photo-op and then bolting? That's not admiration. Do you see what I'm getting at? There is a gap between what you are describing and what's actually happening.

No,what I meant was what's it feel like to idolize someone. What do you experience when you hold someone up that high?

bwahahaha!! i wanna see that

If you want to talk directly to Stefan Molyneux, why post on a forum? Just email him. But, since you are posting on a open forum, I must assume you want to talk with everyone who sees your post. You said you're a 'huge fan' of "Steph". What does that mean to you? What made you become a huge fan?

How many sammiches equal a recommended reading list?

Jesus at the center of the table, everyone else facing him giving him the finger or throwing up gang signs.

I've never been obsessed with a group or individual before, even during the Ron Paul stuff back in 2008. I met him, got his signature, and that was it. Never felt the urge to fanboy. Never fanboy'd on a band, actor, or other famous person. So i really don't understand the urge to idolize. What's it feel like? What thoughts do you experience?