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well said @Wuzzums Hi @Spladam Couldn't have said it better myself... Why that's true? Because if you don't know what you bring to the table, you can be sure the other person doesn't know neither... 'Blind leads the...' Consider this than. Firstly a quote from you.. How can you know what you could do for the rest of your life? I'm not saying that you can't, I'm just saying : What if you are wrong? Wouldn't it be better to have an open mind? Furthermore, do you want that? You could. In which case, more power to you and hope you'll be happy getting what you pay for. There are monks living solitary lives on mountains, invisible next-door neighbours, night shift security guards collecting all the latest episodes of Game of Thrones. (which is also fine if that is your thing) Lastly, a personal observation with no offense intended. (if you are mgtow, feel free to disregard if you'd like my amateur opinions) MGTOW, the life they choose always appears to be as lacking to me. Missing. Lonesome and unsatisfactory, regardless of it's perks. I see it as a natural and understandable reaction to immense suffering and not being able to cope with a major disappointment. But that's it. Being stuck in hiding, within the reinforced stone walls of a Castle that's built of the finest running sand. However strong it might seem from the outside, it's slowly sinking into the nothingness. Loose foundations will gobble up the strongest structures eventually. 'Pay me now or pay me later, but you will pay me.' Pay attention to the red flags, no-one just finds himself betrayed, disappointed, left behind for no reason. People who claim to have been unjustly exploited, seems to be the worst at self-knowledge. Perhaps the MGTOW community could gain a lot by working on that. All the best, Barnsley

Hi @LuxAlex So I fell this time for the title... (I'll watch out next time) Unfortunately I have not learned what I had hoped to be was going to be a counter argument or a potential risk factor for that matter and pretty much feel like I went through an "elevator - pitch" style promotional article. Have nothing against bitcoin other than it's been always a shaky ground and while many aim to change that I think they are forgetting that you can't circumvent an intrinsically rooted flaw... us, humans. The way I see it, regardless what tech or method is being rolled out; it is destined to get corrupted(until the day) : 1. the same human ingenuity that popped it into existence until we aren't more evolved will eventually sand it down (happened not long ago = internet ISP register anyone? , NATO oversees it now... Good riddance) 2. top-down evolution of morals/rationality has never worked. All great changes came from deep within our sluggish and quite sometimes masochistic chugging along, without much thought or control. 3. One more thing we won't be able to see through, handing over it's operation completely to computers... solar storms anyone? 4. People even just a decade ago were much more capable, we did loose quite a bit along the way. So actually we devolved our culture in expense of gaining more tech? Red flags anyone? 5. Roughly within 2 years we'll have computers approximately with the same capacity as a human brain (oh, hi there! yes, I'm talking about you... with respect) Now given Moore's law of doubling, after that we'll have within another 2 years a computer with twice... Nope. Wrong. The moment computers start approaching our capacity the evolution of computing power will skyrocket at an unimaginable speed. Yes, we might be shining our new landlord's boots within max a decade. Naturally this is the worst case scenario, but I wouldn't want to have my monetary system entrusted to 'it'. Barnsley

I was riffing. Thanks for the fun @RichardY. Barnsley

Hi @PsyEythan Boiling down to the essence: - Encouraging extraction of meaning by using critical thinking, graded to the abilities of the participants. - Modelling curiosity, even by asking simple open ended questions as: 'What was the best/worst thing for you today? Why were they so?' - Always explaining if something you can't get, as to why that is and perhaps what could be helpful to you grasping better. - Ensuring that you mirror/clarify/level regularly. - Get used to short attention span and plan around variety rather than depth until you 'hit the spot'. - Kinaesthetic - Moving / physical manipulation aids working with concepts a great deal. Works reverse too. (Although if you are in a part of the world, strong socialist... chances are, the indoctrination got the better of the children... it can take you minimum a year to achieve some notable success with a fifth of the group... don't forget, parents aren't sitting in your sessions.) Barnsley

Sure. It's all right. I appreciate the opportunity. Take care, Barnsley

... sorry man, I'm honestly. The chip has been replaced in the midst of the fog of war. Things are different now, we thought we could win big. It's all over maaan, tough luck I get it! Hey, do you need change for a ride or somethin'... <whipping out a box of cigarettes, thinking this sorry soul won't make it to fortnight, or perhaps he might... the ultimate survivor...shite, what if he does. Better put some distance in between. I mean he's been nourished to GET THE JOB DONE... I ain't no seeing How's the target gets repainted... I better get out, quick.> - So you think the Dame's still around? Sish.,why not check up on things? Take 'ya mind off for a' while ... , you know what I mean. Rambo: Are you gonna be around? - Sure, bud. No problems. I'll just have to straighten some things out while you get some 'legs up time'. - See 'ya' round, take it easy! No glock under the pillow 'n shiite, eh?! Rambo: Don't worry about me. I'll be fine. I'll be fine. Am I? Why not? Of course I will. I will be fine. Where's the taxi, it's getting late. ...

Something I thought I'd add regarding people with dampened emotions to you, @lorry. (no particular intent, other than 'whisper of a thrill' - perhaps I'm at amiss... I am certainly happy to make mistakes :-) A close friend (we aren't in contact anymore) who I 'sort of' (giggles) grew up with was seemingly practising the ability of being able to scale up&down his emotional responses as a result of not wanting to deal with the challenges of saying people things like : ' I hate when you do that, while I also know you at least suspect that it minimum makes me uncomfortable ' or ' I wish to tell you what I really think but at the same time I am also terrified, you would stay clear of me if I had done so. ' or ' I wanted to say it many times but somehow you always made me feel I shouldn't. ' He's into pickup artistry, NLP(neuro-lingustic-programming), past lives travelling to discover why he is destined for greatness and many other things that 'promise results without going through the motions'. His parents got divorced (4kids,mother left for a rich guy who later left her, due to... duh, craaaazie) Now she lives down the road in a shack, out of the charity of the scorned ex-husband and practices yoga,looking for the truth in visions... My ex-friend has processed all of this, with what I only see as no allocation of responsibilities, his father cucked, him grabbing at anything to explain things away, rather than face the truth. Don't get me wrong, I strive to aid the explorer. He however made up his mind, he had all he wished to see. He says he's happy. _shrugs_ Barnsley

I think there ought to be. Even Ethically. Lies compell, forces don't. Forces leave no other option but deterministic outcomes. Lies furthermore can be diminished with truth. Force doesn't do the same trick. It does however escalation which is why it's better to do what the 'man in the uniform says without thinking twice about it'. (within realistic realms, I might add - i.e. can't be ordered to do something unlawful) @lorry have another think if you are up to it... As in maximum responsibility for starters... That's why I chose it as the achillees heel of my whole argument. a. "Sort of." - I recommend against using relativistic answers to a binary question. I strive for clarifying. Did it make you feel cornered? If so - is it cornering if I propose no negatives? b. You didn't answer my question. Don't know why and at this point I rather not conclude anything, other than it's indicative of avoiding a simple conclusion. Perhaps if I ask the same with different words... 'You are in an empty room with a bowl of food. If you eat the food, can you blame anyone else but yourself for eating it?' (respectfully, only trying to be 'clear as a whistle' ) I would also add, this time as a gentle reminder that I am not putting forward any morals or even currently interested to involve underlying motives as to why it happens, what happens. I only want to establish if you take responsibility for things you do or not. Say you cause an accident... Let's distance things a bit... Say Bob ran over a bunch of school kids. Afterwards, upon interviewing him it is established he's been drunk as a skunk the whole time. Was or wasn't he who committed the act? I'm asking this because it seems according to your proposed world-view, in fact simil; such people'd get a leeway... Contradictory. No probs. Just letting you know I don't buy it... feel free to ignore my silly reasoning. (in any case if you cared/wanted to see how I added things up: you not looking for answers + but realisations gained = influence life decisions = hmm... oookaey?! ) Have a good one! B.

Hi @lorry A few things to consider : 0 argument. = If I don't force you and you are free to choose... Is it possible to make you do something you don't want to choose? 1. Are you looking for short/long term answer? 2. Would you prefer to manage or deal with the issue? 3. Why do people lash out? 4. Can you work around grasping a meaning by acting as if you did? (i. e. working around acquiring self confidence by practising to look self assured) 5. Do you think it's possible to live emotions and not manifest negatives? If so - How's that possible? If not - Why not? Hope this helps, Barnsley

Hi all, Stefan Molyneux's storytelling ability in captivating and poking the rational, higher realms in one-self is much appreciated and truly commendable even from an objective perspective. Too good at times, forever grateful for that. I personally wouldn't like to see him engage in that endeavour. Not more than/at most as he already does when referencing, clarifying in 'getting leveled' with someone during a discussion. Collaborative appearances, cherry picking and balancing ideas for the most benefit of everyone. True Liberal virtue if you ask me. (adding that I could be narrow-minded here, not seeing the 'otherwise clear opportunity others detect with ease') my source of reasoning 1 - others DO have much more credibility, he wouldn't be perceived genuine, tons of things he's doing at near peak efficiency... why waste more than necessary. (that's not to say - I sometimes wonder if he willfully exaggerated here&there for a more efficient 'delivery', except when presenting facts, framework of an argument. His trusty lightsaber - 'The flaming laser sword of Newton & Occam' ) 2 - It isn't within his brand and the 'meta-perspective' on his direction until now, currently and indicated excludes approaching the topic that will make Christians happy to have listened to him and ended up with more doubts... unless it's ready to abandon certain things. Ready? Are people more rational than say 2000yrs ago? That's not to say they aren't increasingly flocking to the rational, virtuous nowadays. Have I mentioned that Stefan is proving to be one such individual each time he puts something out? That's a great deal of responsibility already, wouldn't it be more rational to keep building the same, than scout for a new piece of land? 3 - He might have said, claimed to his weakness as to be too forgiving. I think his photorealistic memory, 'genetically coded strive' for rationality won't simply allow that to be true (ever) in the sense as it's required in Christianity. Cccaan't do... immovable object vs. irresistible force... Notice how he hasn't really revert his position on the nature of the indoctrination aspect of any religion, the Bible included. simplified: 'You mess up big time, can't forget. No blank sheet, sorry. We can be business associates at most, given you do all the necessary.' I'm prepared to be contradicted, given how good he, his support team (give credit to his right hand(?) Yo' Michael!), family is at what they do, whilst I am only grateful to be able to benefit from all of it in my own way! Barnsley

Hi @GlenWillson 'In a world full of snake-oil salesman/women, on a forum intrinsically rooted in critical thinking... making empty claims about ultimate truths... hmm. ' It appears, after having seen 3+ near identical promotional posts, each lacking supporting thoughts... Is it because quantity is more important to you compared to quality contributions? I don't know, feel free if that's the case. I just think this community doesn't have a huge appetite for subjectivity. So far that's what you've offered. Did you not? You haven't provided any reason or explanation as to why to treat your piece of writing any different than an opinion. Aaand the world is swimming in fakery, clumsy pitch-talks, unfounded claims of all sorts. I try to treat the subject with attentiveness and factuality (be my guests to see my claims for yourself) but it's getting harder to not have doubts regarding any worth That's so, especially if I think of the possible reasons as to why not once had you responded to my 3+ similar inquiries regarding some clarification. Dunno man, I like if the 'salesman' can answer a few basic questions, like - What's in it for me? - How do you know that you aren't talking just 'hot-air'? - What if you are wrong? - Have you read all claims of 'ultimate truths', if not - Why not, you are certainly trying to make people read yours. Kindly, Barnsley

Hi @lorry I hit a wall during making sense, luckily it's something you can help to neutralise and would have been better to appear from the start precisely rather than an approximation...but like I said it could be corrected with ease. Would you like to provide a direct quote of which is intrinsically relevant to the discussion we're having? Be back soon I guess. Nice. Barnsley

Thanks @lorry You certainly gave me a constructive and detailed response, now I'm off to do the next reasonable thing and try to understand you and the propositions you are putting forward. Still, if I might highlight something. The way you are characterising him and what you think he lacks (given his track record) is rather harmful to you. Be back to this topic as soon as I have any learned response or further clarifiers to ask/add. Barnsley

Hi @lorry I'm sure you 'just forgot' to provide source or proof to an otherwise non opinion based claim. Or I'm at amiss and it's only an opinion with little or no backing, empty words regarding intellectual value. In which case, surely you can state/think whatever you fancy, feel free to do so. The reason I'm saying this, while I had noticed he isn't all-knowing, omni-potent and certainly not more handsome as I... he does seem to approach topics i.e.: statistics (which according to him at first was a great deal of effort to conquer) with humility and plenty of clarifiers. Still, I could be wrong and certainly you'll show us what 'pushed your button', I'd hate to come to realise you had an emotional tantrum. All the best, Barnsley p. s. : How many lectures of him have you seen? I did watch 20+,not once has it occurred to me he'd be even superficial or willingly ignorant... sorry, but I don't see what you are putting forward.

Hi @Mel_NAP (all the followings are my amateur opinions) Is it possible that your uncertainty has something to do with your cartoonish view/understanding of how things work? My bet would be that your doubts are perfectly reasonable. Also, in an environment such as... Well, I'd assume... There must be lots of 'theatre' and manipulation going on. BUT! That's just proof of having claimed unearned virtues doesn't actually manifest itself in people's lives + You're noticing some of the discrepancies(good start) , which is necessary to be able to identify the 'talk from the walk'. Of course you have to figure it out for yourself! Though, you can if you want use a myriad of things to help you, like : - advice from others, sharing your doubts/questions just like you've done - if possible, deep convo with a supportive (the interaction helps you move forward) friend, individual - if possible, speaking with family to understand why did they do what they did and how you feel/felt and it's meaning to you - regular therapy with someone you are in-tune - writing a diary regularly and reading it back every so often - Nathaniel Branden's sentence completion and reading it back every so often - reviewing your goals and getting to know 'what ticks you/makes you tick' - creative, constructive activities while your unconscious can relax, perhaps draw nearer to the surface and 'whisper to you' - one really great book comes to mind, it's called Real Time Relationships by Stefan Molyneux - a time saver on the road to a more virtuous life, very curious btw. Virtues must be developed in order to be part of us and their effects be felt. More importantly, why would you want to be virtuous anyway? The marriage and belonging to a community of loving/loveable people with strong 'spines' is rather a result of a process you go through and arrive once the realisation manifests to you about where and how you want to be, what you'd like to be surrounded with. You already have plenty of great resources at your disposal, you'll be surprised how much more you'll find once in motion. Make sure to share all of this with your partner/soon-to-be husband of yours. Looking forward to hearing from you how you're progressing! Barnsley

Dear @Crusader1986 It's perfectly normal to be curious. Aiming indefinitely isn't... Do stuff, make mistakes and you'll discard some of your current doubts in the step by step process of getting things done. Looking forward to hearing of your battles and conquers man! Enough thinking! Barnsley

Hi @Crusader1986 [disclaimer: I had/have not invested in either.] 1. {'zero' argument really} Investment made in your own skillset&health, intrinsically adapted to one's inclinations/the zeitgeist of the surroundings is I believe worth and retains value the most, while broadens sphere of influence/lowers opportunity costs most reliably, gradually improving over time. (traditionally they were considered as: entry level polymath skills) i.e.: I wouldn't be able to produce a pencil from scratch, build a kiln, identity iron ore from bauxite in it's natural occurrence or simply weave a shoddy looking basket... well, maybe I could do a miserable basket... perhaps. Furthermore, rotting teeth has the tendency to spoil an otherwise productive and sunny day. 2. What's more important I guess is the security/mobility/flexibility of such investments. Consider : a. volumetric / weight (if you plan on staying on this planet, mass 'n gravity stuff 'y know :-} ) consequences keeping in mind the price correlation too and that it's not constant, likewise the proportions you'll be disposing the stored up resources. Properties of available storage? a/1 - Will you be willing to dislocate(carrying capacity, diversification)? a/2 - Will you be having an access to a top of the line communication system(you wouldn't want to sell/buy under)? b. coins, bars, wearables, off-site variations... what works / would work for you the best differs regarding time lines and levels of uncertainty in society. (willingness and solutions to self-defense will play into) c. the type of scenario to which you are adjusting your expectations (you could end up starving to death, not having a steady supply of isolated food production unit, gold/silver isn't consumable and might be less valuable... unlikely? Well, according to geological samples we should be well into yet another ice-age already. The like that'd brought the invention of chimneys, tapestry, had a heavy hand in separation of classes... etc.) d. perception, appearance / alternatives - resulting in same/good enough outcomes. What you don't possess can't be taken from you even with the use of coercion. Why appear / put yourself in a position where you could be percieved/to be found in needing. I say it's better to be provided for. (due to virtues of course, naturally) Barnsley

Hi @Jsbrads To the uninitiated (like me) your parallel is such illustrative, thanks. I'll nick it if you don't mind. Barnsley

Hi @RichardY I'll come back soon, re-emerging from my bat-cave, hopefully with a more learned looking response. Your cerebral dump(meant it with respect) is much appreciated as you've given me pointers and structure(!!!) to go along with it. Till then, don't let your axe go blunt or your arms tire! Barnsley

Hullo @meetjoeblack Please promise me you seek therapy. I did, can't recommend it enough. It's a must, ask any balanced individual if you need convincing. Probably it's too late but still somewhat salvageable to realise, I don't wish to burden readers of this thread with quite a few off topic and individually directed messages from here on out. I apologise. That being said, the main rationale could be summed up here, for last, as: (All of which are AMATEUR opinions, could be COMPLETELY FALSE AND UNFOUNDED. Nevertheless intended to share ideas from an honest source even if with a judgemental tone but with warm-hearted 'dick-punch' intentions. Disclaimer: at times I can be a hypocrite, hence my liking of this place to be called out. <I appreciate all the clear, comstructive remarks.> What I mean i.e.: suggesting against addiction while, currently, I still smoke. I'm not saying you should discard all I say but I thought you should know when you think about the things I say. I have my flaws and working hard to replace them with more virtues.) Now, the part that quite possibly will make you like me less... (especially after reading the DM I'm composing to solely serve you the best way I can think of. Quoting, referencing, explaining to my best abilities my amateur views in it.) Barnsley Please stop running away from your life, I want you to start living it under your own terms(no fog, abstraction but deep rootedness & ACCEPTANCE) , self-actualised not as a result of sorrow, frustration, false hopes, temporary solutions. I think that you have the biggest opportunity in your life you've ever had to take back what's yours and step up to be the 'captain of your own ship, discovering your true direction after finally meeting up with all the deckhand to tell you all that you seem to have forgotten'. You have a team at your disposal! Start listening to all the wisdom each specialist have, work together in unity! Sending you the long-winded DM A.S.A.P. Barnsley

Hi @RichardY If you ask me, no. (my opinion, take it what's it worth, usual caveats respectfully) I would much rather see how you answered the proposed sentence completion. Please understand I was once into (16 personalities) the same framework but upon doing Jordan B. Peterson's big 5 personality assessment...All my questions regarding this area got answered, won't ever feel the need to do anything similar again. It was like realising the difference between 'abstract, to-a-degree tangible categorisation' vs 'What do you bring to the table and how that and other traits exist/interact based on real life studies & assessments now knowing all this stuff go and clean up your room!'.(giggles) I do realise me saying this has the tendency to belittle an otherwise very interesting approach, I just think having 5 compared to 16 (16=much more complex+composite abstracts and a real danger of getting lost among all the minute nuances) supplemented with the Jordan B Peterson style objective pointers&clarifiers quite frankly provides a greater and much steadier 'grip' to anyone. I sincerely think. I had taken similar tests (some offline, others from the net, some lousy, others from popular sites) and usually would get an ENTJ (with p) ... in case you cared/wondered. All that said, it all changed when I discovered the pointers / 'simple English' explanations alongside with an instructive breakdown of the significance & dynamics regarding the 5 big personality aspects, with comparable data points handing me true tools to work with. On a second note, I did come along a long way(had an obsession with personality, hand writing, body language, NLP... few more I don't dare to mention being quirky :-) and can't be sure if there was another 'X' factor I'm not yet aware of. Doubt it, though because all that I've learnt (generalisation I know, trying to be practical) seemed distilled, de-weeded and readily available in the big 5 assessment. Have a good one, Barnsley

Hi @ofd Noted. Much appreciated. Barnsley

Here we go You must be doing something right, otherwise I wouldn't bother at all. (neutral, still do take credit if you see it justified) Oh, gosh. Don't, if you can. Of course not, no one would do such things if they did what it took. Problem is when we overlook the 'inner round table of highly skilled professionals in the subject of you'. It's all about 'dancing when the tune's on'. Mistakes are an integral part of life, what you do afterwards aren't given you own them. Messing up is normal, how you act as a result isn't with integrity. It could be only my imagination but do I detect fear of messing up? I don't know, you'll tell me but I'm pretty sure it isn't an unbased discomfort if you do. <Logically, caged animals don't cause rivers of sweat, only the wild the uncontrollable roaming things we fear instinctively. You can't end up in a trap if you know what that looks like. You will just step over them... 0 accidents unless you let it but that's on you deciding to lower your standards.> Thumbs up to your dad (R.I.P. - Sir) ,surely worth honoring his advice with living memory. When you break it down to it's barebones... they simply lowered their standards and 'got what they paid for'...nothing more, nothing less. Why would I care about the sea of mindless, aimless, virtue allergic examples of my own sex? There's no value in it for me to pay attention to them. It only angers, disgusts and makes me sigh. None of those sad souls will want to make me copy/replicate/pry boundaries TO SELF ACTUALISE in this 1 single - limited life I was granted against the sea of other swimming sperm that competed alongside for '15 minutes of fame'... not one minute I will allot. It's intriguing, not promising anything plus I have a few books in line. I did however note it down. Thanks and also for giving me a reason to read with it. No, I don't. I wouldn't since my preference is 'forever'. The best I could do in pickup is 1 pickup. Because if I do commit again, that means I can't /won't ever will be able to do better. R.T.R. - real time relationships - yet another eye opener, independently btw it was written by Stefan Molyneux. Curious, we've been doing it to a certain degree and I believe it's very much how you experience genuine connection with anyone if they choose to. All good things come to those who wait... bs, right?! Well, done mate! You're going to reap what you sow, more power to you! My gentle reminder is to supplement all that 'caffeined up - squirrel speedy' learning with ample reflection and opportunity to sink in well. You probably know this, don't mean to annoy you by saying: Retention is more valuable than the amount of books you've consumed. All the best @meetjoeblack! Barnsley

Hi @neeeel I have no interest in fantasies, diversions from reason & evidence. Maybe we can have a convo about your proposed topic on a different sub, some other day. Have a good one, Barnsley

Hi @Siegfried von Walheim No you aren't. I meant Those are two things, right?! Yeah, I can follow you. It's an interesting hypothetical you are proposing. Don't know if it's possible. Sure, but the question is how much. As in, a strong feminist leaning individual has the (quite tiny) tendency towards rationality but I would not hesitate to place my bet on anyone else. 'Hell's the chance to freeze over too, right?!' Probabilities matter a great deal. Hmm, not sure what you are going for here but your imagination is commendable. Hopefully the world won't burn, perhaps get scorched a bit. If you feel that's the way for you, 'God speed!' & more power to you in moving. Wish you find your calculations! Barnsley