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@jgw2001 So why are the current accused, different from any that have been trialed before? Plenty of times the media have reported on who the accused are, why should this be any different?

@jgw2001 Why the D notices and media blackout then? Withdrawing articles from RT. Changing articles on the Metro. Why not report on how he was commitng a crime on Sky news or BBC?

A more introverted way might be turning the perception inward, somehow. Perhaps through meditation, baptism; something to do with the individuation process if you believe people are unconsciously influenced. But it does allow for knowing. Giving the subject perception of absolute time. In what is perhaps a relativistic albeit limited universe. Allowing for planning and the sacrifice of some of the body, for the greater whole. Bit like how animals may fear fire, but a human can overcome that fear & damage to escape death, for now.

I haven't actually heard Stefan use that definition of Freewill. I have heard him say freewill is the ability to compare and presumably strive for an "Ideal" standard. Which I would say is an extroveted way of looking at freewill. If freewill is the amount of knowledge you have, then knowledge still presupposes a subject to have freewill. I could have knowledge about various historical battles, but that doesn't increase my freewill. As for consciousness not doing anything, I think it is the only thing with potential to do a great deal for good or evil. An animal can still function with a degree of awareness, instinct and intelligence. But it does not need consciousness, providing it copies other animals implicitly. Without consciousness how would have World War one been possible, with barded wire, machine guns etc,

I wouldn't say randomness, if you accept that there is only a finite amount of matter in the universe. In an infintie universe it would make no sense to say 1 marble for instance, if there were an infinite number of them. (heard that in a video somewhere) Personally I think more in degrees of freewill, largely dependent on a persons consciousness. A legal age adult for instance, has generally greater freewill than a child.

@ofd So what do you mean by process? Aristotle posited an indefinite cause, in metaphysics. i.e chance.

@ofd What do you mean by event?

It doesn't. Plenty of times people have revealed the truth, usually nationalists. Only to be attacked by the MSM, State, internal betrayal, 3rd party commentators who pick up on the slander unconsciously. etc I'm convinced that any come back, would have to be a focus on one nation at a time. France, The UK, Germany, Netherlands, Belgium, S.Africa are all screwed, for the forseeable future. Although I think Sweden, Norway & Austria. Could be salvaged. I think the best outcome would be balkanisation. Personally I think it's the numbers of people. Europe in the past had way many more countries. How would a small group of pesants in China for instance, going to make any difference, without massive outside interference. With smaller countries a localised effect could be acheived. Free Tommy!!!! ... Well the state is just going to ignore that. Could try it anyway, but give one instance where it has worked. Anyone going to match the money, violence and blood ties of the oil sheikhs , paying off people for European conquest, tomorrow the USA. Plenty of billionaires , such as Trump that could. Not saying Trump is bad, I think he's the best thing possibly that has happend to America in terms of trying to do stuff and not just virute signal. But aside from all the virtue signalling cr*p those guys have made their money right? I remember the presentation Stefan did on Cuba, where the communists essentially bought off the general, tasked with defending Cuba. Perhaps similar with the orignal Arabic conquest of Spain. Despite being outnumbered if you kill the king and he has no replacements. Can take them out piecemeal. Local superiority.

Q1. No system. I think personality wise, it might worth considering what makes Cain and Abel distinct. Personally I think Cain's distance from God, is equivalent of saying the difference between Cain's Ego consciousness, and his unrealised self(God). So when Cain kills his brother after a short talk, he is ambivalent to the fact he just killed his brother. Maybe if purely rational reasons were considered, in some sense it might have made sense to kill his brother. Abel being a herdsmen, perhaps his flock were devestating cain's crops and therefore livelyhood. Cain is obviously intelligent; he survives and thrives, bringing many benefits of technology to people and making their lives easier. His descendents also specialise in weaponry, so people have less to worry about presumably from raids. Plus it's not like they go looking for trouble, they only payback with interest, injuries sustained, it doesn't profit them financially. Where as Abel is more in line with his self, less conflicted. Burns up perfectly good meat, so he can make himself feel better, crazy and wasteful. Maybe even obstinate, why not have given the meat to Cain, as opposed to "sacrificing". It's worse than Formula One drivers, who spray Champagne everywhere. I think if you did not want to be like Cain. The next biblical role model would be the AntiChrist. Both Christ and AntiChrist, are representations of the Ideal Self. It's not like one is evil, and the other not. More so that one is moral, and the other not. Though consider "Without freedom, there is no morality." - Carl Jung. Nietzsche tried to fleshout the Antichrist a bit, in his Thus Spoke Zarathustra. Q2. No idea. Maybe Logotherapy. I guess first would be to try and establish what you mean by the shadow. Read through the orignal source material. I guess it would be hard to understand your shadow unless you have a general direction. If you do, then maybe read "psychological types" or the first few chapters of aion. Identify what you feel uncomfortable with and talk it through.

Yeah disturbing how the stuff just vanishes. Seen it a few times on Youtube.

The guy is a hero. Literally had his face smashed in, and he still kept going. With birth rates being what they are, what's the point in trying to build career, family; either go out right hedonism or try and fix the situation. Leaflet and build networks perhaps the only way? Otherwise, I think we all know where this leads.

I didn't say immoral, only that it would be aggression to go fullout in an exhibition match(increased permanent physical damage,....WWE), or in sparring for instance. Against an unevenly matched opponent. Any moral component would be someone("who knows better") throwing in the towel, before someone dies. If they don't I wouldn't consider that immoral. In which case why use a synonym and not the actual word, why not NVP? Screw the sentimentality. "If the beginning of wisdom is to call things by their proper names"; Why is the NAP exempt? - Interesting quote was by Confucius(often quoted by Stefan). I think depends on the individual, a psychopath would in theory have no experience of being aggressive (copying others behaviour), and the NAP would be redundent. I think you have no subjective qualities, you're no longer talking about people. Age of consent, IQ, state of mind, adult or minor. My point is the NAP is not Moral. Morality exists, but it isn't the NAP. (How can something exist that is a negation?). Adding money as a form of extortion in blackmail makes no difference. People may act moral in general, but when the chips are down. Kill or be killed. I never said it was greedy to blackmail. QUOTE: "If morality has psychological benefits I think it has appeal, but doing it purely for greed. So maybe can't be moral, perhaps purely a deferal of gratifcation thing." A means is not, an end. - The why be good question. Blackmail profits from immoral behaviour. It can't be a good, as it's a means to an end. --------- You're "Strawmanning" me twice. There are other instances as well.

I don't think you can have an objective debate. Birth rates are well known, I.Q was recorded by the UN. I remember a youtube video with a listener talking about hotel rooms going for 200 Euros a night in Sweden. All environment... pour a people/culture into a glass and they take the shape of the glass. How can you debate that? "Objects in the Mirror are closer than they appear." Go down the lines of Rhetoric. Bonded to the state. Give the objective facts then go down an appeal to emotion. Long Tall Sally...she got everything that Uncle John needs. Have some fun, otherwse what's the point if a majority have already made up their minds, despite things like sex slavery.

Technically even diamonds are reducible though, do diamonds exist? The most stable element being Iron, I think. Might be why Aristotle uses the term essence to describe a substance(as opposed to existence). Purity Of Essence. "Ice cream mandrake?, childrens ice cream!" - Dr Strangelove. Yes, but knowledge still requires a subject(ego), to know the abstraction. If information did not exist, how would it be possible to chart a course? Essence precedth Existence - Sartre (wrong) Consciousness(Essence) comes after existence(Being), which then allows the imposition of values, manipulation of relative space time.

Nuclear Weapons. With a small population, would think Russia has more to fear with foreign powers gaining influence over their resources. The USA and China, exert influence over Canada to some extent. Buying up resources at lower prices than domestic citizens. Mafia gangs. Obvious that they're worried about "random" mass riots and them some, from the "new swedes". Totally perverse. Pervert paradise it seems over there. UK isn't much better, less stuff to burn.

Yeah can't have those nasty Russians invading. Despite Sweden invading Russia in the distant past. Should have sent out a zombie apocalypse leaflet instead, would be more realistic. Madness.

On a more serious note. Not being vanilla and being honest if you want a relationship stood out to me. Unless you're going more for a satanic bargain & or leverage, might not even be conscious, photocopier of history, till it's not. Basically codependency for example, If one spouse is low in Orderliness and the other is outright tyrannical. Or marrying someone in their mid 30's and having 2 or 3 children. As kind of an ancillary.

Nope. I'm pretty sure consciousness is a fabrication, like vision. Although we may like to think for a resurrection, ghost pacman self or oneness with the Universe. God another way of saying the unrealised self. If you believe other, more power(a lie btw?) to you. Make it real, like the movie "Catch Me if you can", or not? Once you're dead, you're consigned to oblivion. Unless you have children, in which case a part of the information that makes you, you, may live on a while longer(might not even be expressed if the genetics are recessive). Morality, perhaps a way of living a less painful and steady existence, but that is dependent on relationships; although if you had good relationships why would you need morality? You may just end up suffering pointlessly for your entire life, then die.

Though as information is reducible, eventually you come to something irreducible, causa prima. Perhaps taking a linear example 0 & 1, but in reality a pulse, a musical note? -------- It must be reckoned a psychic catastrophe when the ego is assimilated by the self. The image of wholeness then remains in the unconscious, so that on the one hand it shares the archaic nature of the unconscious and on the other finds itself in the psychically relative space-time continuum that is characteristic of the unconscious as such. Both these qualities are numinous and hence have an unlimited determining effect on ego-consciousness, which is differentiated, i.e., separated, from the unconscious and moreover exists in an absolute space and an absolute time. It is a vital necessity that this should be so. If, therefore, the ego falls for any length of time under the control of an unconscious factor, its adaptation is disturbed and the way opened for all sorts of possible accidents. Hence it is of the greatest importance that the ego should be anchored in the world of consciousness and that consciousness should be reinforced by a very precise adaptation. For this, certain virtues like attention, conscientiousness, patience, etc., ------ Aion Carl G Jung I would say particles depend on absolute space time. Consciousness is absolute to the extent it exists, but instead of viewing it as one undivided entity(Carl jung's "Image of Wholeness". Or, like if you were doing a PC backup disc image) it is something integrated by the brain, for instance the brain perceives a tiny amount of photons, and then rapidly scans with the eye to fabricate an image(to economise on the visual cortex). Where as information is relative.

I think being Irrational is something that it would be good to avoid, being irrational to perhaps be in error, but what if being irrational is like outputing an irrational number, causing a crash in consciousness? Maybe if you used a cattleprod or something, you could make a makeshift human computer for outputting irrational numbers or information, maybe patterns to the irrationality, perhaps like a Trojan Cassandra(Prophet) or the movie "knowing". Plenty of actors and politicians exhibit double speak, even within the same sentence! And they have successful careers and seem happy. Purely being rational though seems like being a computer? What might arational influences involve. Thou shalt not Kill. Or a Thou shalt not Murder? What's the difference? Is it that one is sanctioned or approved by society, and the other not? ---------------------- Just as we have to remember the gods of antiquity in order to appreciate the psychological value of the anima /animus archetype, so Christ is our nearest analogy of the self and its meaning. It is naturally not a question of a collective value artificially manufactured or arbitrarily awarded, but of one that is effective and present per se, and that makes its effectiveness felt whether the subject is conscious of it or not. Yet, although the attributes of Christ (consubstantiality with the Father, co-eternity, filiation, parthenogenesis, crucifixion, Lamb sacrificed between opposites, One divided into Many, etc.) undoubtedly mark him out as an embodiment of the self, looked at from the psychological angle he corresponds to only one half of the archetype. The other half appears in the Antichrist. The latter is just as much a manifestation of the self, except that he consists of its dark aspect. Both are Christian symbols, and they have the same meaning as the image of the Saviour crucified between two thieves. This great symbol tells us that the progressive development and differentiation of consciousness leads to an ever more menacing awareness of the conflict and involves nothing less than a crucifixion of the ego, its agonizing suspension between irreconcilable opposites. Naturally there can be no question of a total extinction of the ego, for then the focus of consciousness would be destroyed, and the result would be complete unconsciousness. The relative abolition of the ego affects only those supreme and ultimate decisions which confront us in situations where there are insoluble conflicts of duty. This means, in other words, that in such cases the ego is a suffering bystander who decides nothing but must submit to a decision and surrender unconditionally. --------------------------------- Aion - Carl G Jung. Why not go down the antichrist route? They're both Christ as the Archetype of the ideal self. One moral, the other not. You can't be moral and not moral. Didn't finish the book yet so at any rate something to fiddle around with. Something that did stick out as odd from reading UPB a long while a go was pushing someone off a cliff because, they told you to do it. Taking A is A to extreme? (if; he dies, he dies. - Ivan Dragov Rocky 4) Made me think of the movie "The Jackal" the scene with Jack Black holding out a pack of cigarettes. "Ugh told you it was off. Quick stand over by the car before you pass out." Still in terms of mental health probably followiing the example of christ and morality(if you like people) is better then a brain destroying neurosis, though how to change. Perhaps; musing mostly.

Her being Catholic more likely to pump out kids. Could be like towards the beginning of the movie "Easy Rider". Setup a ranch somewhere and multiply, still could produce 4 kids at least. Fantastical. But, not beyond the realms of possiblity. Unless more urban dwelling. I am Lineman for the county and I drive the main road... Just keep her isolated, otherwise "I Want Half!!!". Could always go for Czech made model or something, like Trump instead, sort of a West/East Hybrid.... Made in America is pretty supersized in some areas right?

https://news.sky.com/story/sweden-to-distribute-in-case-of-war-leaflets-amid-security-concerns-11381753 Having a laugh aren't they. Bloody sh*t Sandwich.

The presentation of facts has a certain incontestable truth, because the subjective factor is excluded and the facts speak for themselves. Similarly, the representing of the unknowable has also an immediate, subjective, and convincing power, because it is demonstrable from its own existence. The former says ' Est, ergo est ' (' It is ; therefore it is ') ; while the latter says ' Cogito, ergo cogito ' (' I think ; therefore I think '). In the last analysis, introverted thinking arrives at the evidence of its own subjective being, while extraverted thinking is driven to the evidence of its complete identity with the objective fact For, while the extravert really denies himself in his complete dispersion among objects, the introvert, by ridding himself of each and every content, has to content himself with his mere existence. Carl G Jung - Psychological Types Might be because our modes of thinking or approach are different. A = A, Est ergo est (It is; therefore it is) Aristotlian law of identity. Or a more subjective line of thinking in my case Cogito, ergo Cogito (I think; therefore I think.) A then B. "Nietzschean" form of thinking. ------------------ @smarterthanone Yes of course if someone engages in an activity such as football or boxing. It would be wrong to consider it aggression per se. I mean if Mike Tyson pummeled a novice in an exhibition match ala Rocky 4, I would consider that aggression. Even if the violence would be suspect..... Which is why I have a problem with the Non Aggression Principle. If it were non violence I think most people would agree. But using a purely violent interpretation of the word, is bad form I think. Not that my form is necessarily good, but still. I'm interested in the primitive implications of aggression. The primordial aspects that are taken as self evident, rather than proved in a court of law, but speak to motivation. 1) Yes not just cultural, but psychological as well. 2) So instead of morals an equivalent of a kantian "Goodwill" could be the case. Which would be amorality. Although speculating in general. I mean there's the whole self ownership thing in UPB. Taxation is theft etc. I think UPB is superior to the NAP. Though interested in hearing other ideas. If morality has psychological benefits I think it has appeal, but doing it purely for greed. So maybe can't be moral, perhaps purely a deferal of gratifcation thing. So maybe below a certain IQ range a person can't be moral, maybe above is also the case. Though to be beyond Good and Evil according to Jung is evidence of a sick mind. I still considers things to be evil.

LOL yes. Maybe the best thing would be to find someone as equally broken/messed up as yourself. (Makes me think of Eddy Murphy RAW) Unless you're not in which case good for you. Could always go for an import. "Me so horny, me love you long time!"

The basic premise is that YOU asserted that blackmail did not violate the NAP. I said that it did. But if you want to use a legal definition from dictionary.law.com Blackmail n. the crime of threatening to reveal embarrassing, disgraceful or damaging facts (or rumors) about a person to the public, family, spouse or associates unless paid off to not carry out the threat. It is one form of extortion (which may include other threats such as physical harm or damage to property). Extortion n. obtaining money or property by threat to a victim's property or loved ones, intimidation, or false claim of a right (such as pretending to be an IRS agent). It is a felony in all states, except that a direct threat to harm the victim is usually treated as the crime of robbery. Blackmail is a form of extortion in which the threat is to expose embarrassing, damaging information to family, friends or the public. My point is, that as a threat is aggression, blackmail violates the NAP. The payoff for blackmail does not have to be renumerative(as in pure extortion), it can be psychological. Oxford. Aggression; 1Feelings of anger or antipathy resulting in hostile or violent behaviour; readiness to attack or confront. Cambridge. Aggression; spoken or physical behaviour that is threatening or involves harm to someone or something Websters. Aggression; : a forceful action or procedure (such as an unprovoked attack) especially when intended to dominate or master