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Thank you Freud with an awesome analysis. That isn't an argument. You just outed yourself as a keyboard warrior. You talked absolute nonsense and ruined what little credibility you have. The only correct thing you said was that you are confused. Your response or lack there of one shows confusion. Guaranteed, if this man were in a bar or club, forced into the position to approach, what nonsense he is promoting here would be debunked in minutes, and he would be calling women sluts lol Finding a quality woman is difficult the same way going into the free market and winning is difficult. If were easy, everyone would be doing it. In response to OP, I think the lifestyle is sustainable. I am not certain but, I suspect my barber is a MGTOW. I pick up on tidbits that he will say that make me suspect he is or at least has been exposed to MGTOW. He is a business owner. He values traditionalism but, sees a lack there of it. He has money, is not married, has no kids, and I am doubtful of any gf. I am pretty sure he has no live in significant other. It is sustainable but, most men are not committed. I can only share my own experience with you. With approaching numerous girls, certain things are clear, and redundant patterns present themselves far too often to go unnoticed. For instance, "I have a bf" is just a quick indication of disinterest whereas, the same girl would not even mention a significant other if interested. In either event, she will cheat with the new guy or back burner him in the event her relationship goes south. If a woman stops texting, does not initiate, one word answers, she is sleeping with some other men. The same woman will make up excuses, she will lie, she will say she was busy, blame school or work. If you play dick tracy for whatever reason, she will be caught in a lie, and the truth will come out that she slept with an ex or some other guy and got dropped. I wont paint a pretty picture. There still are good women out there but, it is so few and far between. Most men are between a rock and a hard place. If you find a good woman, your beta self wants to provide, marry, give her children, and even at the cost of your own self preservation. For better or worse, men continue to put the barrel of a loaded gun to their head, and not even blink. Today, I was approached by a pretty woman. Sure enough, after a little bit of prying, turns out, she is a single mom, and therefore, not a reliable option. This is common be it online or IRL. Be my guest. Approach a dozen women. How did that go? If you got any numbers, does she reciprocate? Is she dedicated to self-knowledge? Self-awareness? Reason and evidence? Many will take coffee or dinner but, are okay sleeping around with some guy that wont buy them the ring? I over heard a conversation of women at the gym. One was complaining about "dishonest men," how they wont just say they don't want children earlier on. The aftermath is a pity party between her and her girl friend rather than discussing the reality that she is squandering her youth with an idiot who wont commit.

Its pretty messy. I concur given my personal experience. The older I get, the more and more I relate to MGTOW although, I am refraining from listening to the content. I am cynical at points due to the reality and the perspective I have from life experience. If you sit back and wait, you observe an abundance of women riding the carousel. If you approach, you date more, you have more sex but, you are involved with a bunch of liberal women, women who are pro choice, swift to let you know about it and their feminist brain washing. While I hear you saying that you self identify with being MGTOW, I still sense the desire for a regular life, a wife, a gf and maybe children. Maybe I am reaching. I get this sense by even your rational because I catch the same sort of thinking process in myself. I value family, order, roles, motherhood (not single moms), fatherhood, children, and qualities of riches. Certain riches you cannot buy. They come at to big a price like time. I don't think guys truly understand the depth of the predicament with online dating and social media. There is a real issue with narcissism during sexual market value top form and entitlement. There are OKCUPID ratings whereby, women rate men below average contrary to the notion of female victimhood and how badly the patriarchy is to women. There is a level of delusion and there is no talking sense. Women can do no wrong in our society no matter how vile or evil the act is. I have approached an outrageous number of women. It is not without a pattern, a perspective, a sequence of events, and aftermath. You see female nature not for how you wish it were but, how it is, plain and simple. You see that women are capable of being just as every bit evil if not worse then men. They then are swift to play victim and go full blown pity party whereby men will listen and bring out the violin. Never once do you hear what a good father and man is after a divorce. Its always pity party and how she is a victim. It is 2017. If you still want to pursue, I think you should if this is truly what you want. Just screen and vet a good woman. You don't have to get married or settledown in the traditional sense.

The message was in response to your post; You make it sound like it is all rainbows and gum drops. Its a cake walk. We both know staking your claim in the business world is not easy. Why would it be any different for a woman who seeks self knowledge? Self-awareness? Thinks freely rather than a woman who subscribes to victimhood? Where is the disconnect with a man being single? There is either a lack of quality women or a man enjoys his time doing what it is he does instead of being house broken and paying bills after years of riding the carousel. If you are familiar with Tinder, this is the vehicle for serial monogamy, and women riding the carousel. The same man preaching "quality woman" is settling down with the girl who was just riding the carousel. Not sure what you don't get. Men are realizing it is a bogus deal and while there are unicorns/NAWALTS, staking your claim and getting it wrong is life altering. Some are opting out entirely due to how high the stakes are and how little the reward is in reverse. You maybe older or just removed from the dating scheme in 2017. Regardless, I digress.

Probably one of the most ridiculous posts on this forum ever. Its the internet. If a woman on this board jumped on and bragged about being conservative and good looking, would you presume she is being honest? Probably not. Felix Denis, Author of "How to Get RIch" described a million dollars as "the comfortably poor." He died single and I am pretty sure lost count of the amount of escorts and prostitutes he had fun with. It is a different world. You throw around the notion of "quality woman" the way most men do believing in the NAWALT. Whether or not that exists is something else all together. When you find your very version of this, do you call, "ALL IN," throwing away all reason, logic, and evidence? The disconnect is a college campus 99% of which is leftist, pro choice and quick to let you know about it. The vast majority are running through an absurd amount of men and having children out of wedlock. Then, you got a series of men jumping on these women and raising the alpha male's children. The term quality gets tossed around a lot but very few men find this. You can go out an approach an abundance of women. You will get laid. You will also come across a lot of disasters, a lot of not high quality women, women with a piece of paper that indicates education but, nothing of self awareness, self knowledge, and anything that insinuates free thought. If you want an omelet, you got to crack a few eggs. You come across a lot of women far from the sort to date exclusively never mind quality. The most ironic part of those that preach how simple it is, they would be the first to e brag online about how it is, and the first to declare a woman a slut the second they try and approach and it magically doesn't go the way they would like. Suddenly, its not so easy anymore. No offense. I am a fair bit younger then you but, I noticed women "bulking" after the ripe age of 18. One girl I hooked up with in my teens has three children out of wedlock all from different men. I would not be caught dead around her at this point. Cute girl that now looks like she ate a house. Anytime I have heard a woman say, "I can't find a quality man," it is as Sandman suggests. Its the top 1% of the male population. The question isn't to look at the men raised by a series of single moms, the moms on carousel 2.0, the ones that emasculated the father figure, and had him banished from the household. It is more shaming language, manipulation, and how can one extract resources from someone already damaged? I am not MGTOW. Not yet. Then again, the same disregard and repulsive behavior easily is enough to turn down that path. If I were mentally weak, I would have made that leap along time ago. I will say, I do not have no live in gf, wife, or woman in my home. I will date casually until finding the unicorn. I wont be dating single moms or women after carousel 2.0. I would rather be single and live out my life that way then be the utility of resource that gets used and dragged around like a puppet. The quality of women have dropped and the increase of single mother victimhood is on the rise. If not for Stefan, my eyes would be closed and I would listen to the sob stories that women bombard men with. I think I have finally stopped caring and placed my own priorities f Thanks for sharing. I fear the pull of MGTOW coming my way. I followed the beaten path in the first stage of my life following puberty. I was the good little beta. I bought dinners. I paid for dates. I got nowhere. I was liked by girls but, I did not date too much in my early and middle teens. I got more comfortable in my own skin by my senior year. Still, i found pickup, I approached a lot, and I dated more. Part of approaching more is, you get rejected more. You see patterns, you see qualities in women you like, and other qualities you dislike. I was not expecting what I would find. I found as a young boy, teen, a young man; I knew it was rare to find the sort of woman to date exclusively and even more so for the woman you marry and start a family with. I did not know how right I was until I started to approach. I have seen the disappearing acts, the shady behavior in women, the no contact only to initiate contact after jumping off another man. By that, I mean to say, a woman after getting dumped or a man begins to stop seeing her could be with child. She will lie, she will make up excuses, and give all sorts of fables about being busy. She was in fact jumping off other men, the men who would sleep with her but, wont date her. She then will start responding but, the years of approaching, of seeing female nature, a man begins to become numb to rejection, to lies, and deceit. If a woman stops texting or shows a lack of interest, it is because she is sleeping with other men. Despite these shitty realizations and crummy dating experiences, I cannot shake my blasted genetics, and desire for a good woman. I still hold out that it exists. Unfortunately, it comes at a time when people are getting married, having children, and starting to live together. I am not saying that it is all bad. I have quite a bit of good experiences but, in all honesty, its been a disaster and a horrible time I wouldn't wish on anybody, even my worst of enemy. Then again, I ask you, what alternative is there? To wait? To vet a good woman? Most are on social media and tinder getting drunk on the power of validation and approval. I am single. I continue to approach. I continue to swipe right at life. I still hold out that there is good out there but, there comes a point when, I will close the door on that chapter in my life, and begin pursuing other interests entirely. I intend to pursue some more but, there are things I will like to look into, things I want to explore like self awareness, self knowledge, my fears, my worries, and then, transcend the life i live into something awesome. I want to add value but I am constantly bombarded with leftist women, with very liberal women. Women who will prefer to have casual sex then do coffee and establish something more concrete. I got asked to replace a girl's dildo one night? Sounds like fun right? I have trouble trusting a woman who is quick to sex but drags her feet over coffee. Maybe I am old school.

There are resources but, its all underground, and even a guy like Stefan that is part of the men's movement is against.Most of it is underground. It is niche, hidden, tucked away or you got more mainstream resources like askmen.com or mens health which is basically socially conditioned nonsense. There are resources, groups, individuals that will come through a local city near you but, it is so damn rare and for the most part, you got to jup on a flight to go halfway across the planet in order to find this sort of content. In order to transcend, to change, and become that more attractive man, it takes absurd amount of life changing actions. Most men are not willing to go to that length. Most will find any sort of woman willing to pay him the time a day and he will swear away half his resources. There are women into dating, into underground dating advice but, most of the world will freak the fuck out seeing the reaction to actual real content. Red Pill Project said a lot of stores should carry pickup material. Then again, it goes against social conditioning. How to rope men into marriage is fine. How to look younger and hold onto sexual market value is fine but, how to get girls? How to approach in a coffee shop? How to be a man in a society that demonizes everything manly. The basic consensus is that, women are good and man is bad.

I have dated Chinese before. I think I like the Asian culture. I agree with western society heading into the swamps especially with respect to destroyed nuclear family. The father figure is pretty much disrespected and reduced to a utility. I know a older man who hates his job and life. I am pretty sure his wife is running out on him. She has these random excuses for not coming home or randomly going on vacation with girls from work. I know how girls behave on vacation. He looks so sad and pathetic. I feel sorry for him in some sense but, I am pissed to that anybody would let their life become this? I guess my fear is to follow the beaten path, be like everyone else, and then, end up in a disaster. The man's health is not great, his memory is slipping, his teeth are disgusting, and its a miserable existence. He could fix his teeth but the wife doesn't want him to touch the money. That is for her when he kicks off likely to run off with her new bf she has on the side. I am just so disgusted. I don't want to live on this planet anymore.

Thanks for the response. I just cut ties online. I am going out with a girl from there but, afterwards, I am not looking to pursue through this means at all. It is a lot of attention whores, a lot of serial monogamy, and jump offs. Essentially carousel riding for the girls. I remember a girl I knew. She got into fitness and modeling. She was just getting fucked by rich older men. It is this kind of thing I see time and time again. Not to mention, my own experiences that just sour me on the entire situation. A girl I was pursuing a few years ago went on a tangent about "not needing men" and then, she ended up drunk dialing me last summer. Sure enough, it happened when she is in some shitty situation in her life. I didn't get all the specifics. I didn't care to do so. What I know is she was on a stress leave. I presume, she got dumped by the bad boy, and needed a booty call. I never complied. Years before, I would have been there no doubt. This is female nature. This is what I see time and time again. I matched with some girls at work, with girls I have seen around, and there is just a common theme. Its cynical of me but, when you see it time and time again, its hard to acknowledge there being any alternative. i have just seen far too much weirdness. I definitely found something useful in this post. I think I am just frustrated with the cycle I have experienced. The last girl I dated is a single mom. She couldn't even make eye contact with me when she walked past because of the shame she felt but, this is the lifestyle she picked. I know not all are this way but, the problem is that so many are. I guess because I am conservative sexually, I don't just want to mess around, i am turned off by how liberal everything is. So many single moms online. Its not ideal. I always appreciated the experiences I had through real interactions so, I plan on holding out on that. You used the word "virtuous" which is not something I come across too often. I know many "intelligent" or maybe book smart women but, very liberal, sleep around, and make a lot of bad decisions. Its crazy. I was asked to come over to a woman's house to have sex while her husband was out. I don't want to live on this planet anymore.

I want to do the same at some point. What I think is that, the exact time he suggests is irrelevant. The point was in polar contrast to what feminism and the college bubble suggests. So, why have a 50-100k debt in a field you wont get a job in by choosing to be a stay at home mom? It makes no sense but, I believe he is suggesting that, there is no point in waiting, and having missed her golden chance with a better mate. I see a lot of women making this mistake or in the career and living like a frat boy. Many running out on their husband and for carousel riding after the family so, I think he is bringing reason and evidence as to a alternative choice. Then again, I could be off and I cannot speak for him. I am thinking I too should have found a mate ideally as a much younger man. It gets much trickier as time goes on. Also, it becomes harder to relate to the trends, to the styles the music or even the way of things. I did a writing course one year just for fun. I did not understand the skinny jeans, the hipster haircuts or every girl wearing stretchy pants. So, I think there is some value in that. search in youth for someone ideal. I would not trade that

Despite all the resources shoved into these communities, we still have black on black crime, we have a huge criminal population in our jail systems, in the court system, and riots for say a black cop shooting a black kid pulling a gun. Insert rioting memes now. The patting on the head and saying everything is ok or not a problem is ridiculous. It was white people that ended slavery. It was white people that led to a good portion of innovation and creativity. Since the liberals lose, the favorite thing to do is race bait or make up false news. I remember the CNN video, "we need our weeve" cut. Then she tells the community to take the rioting out of the area to other areas. CNN of course doesn't show that. I don't know what the solution is. Needless to say, the identity of black people that did this was left out of the media but, if it were white male, guaranteed, the media would have had a field day with it.

But good luck explaining reason and evidence to a feminist or a liberal college female during her period of sexual market value top form.

By far some of the most racially motivated. It is annoying how often white people get lambasted. Imagine, had this incident been a kidnapped black boy or girl with a handicap? The media would have a field day with that race bait. Let hope these pieces of garbage get whats coming to them (talking about the perpetrators in the kidnapping).

It is hard as hell. I am getting close to 30 in a few more years. It is scary. I thought I would be married. If I had, I would be cucked, cheated on, and dragged through divorce court or family court. I feel like I have more time then women. Like, one girl I am friends with met her bf he is almost 40 and she is 28. They met online and both had crap relationships until they met. She works pretty hard and is self sufficient. not sure why she was single for so long to be honest. Thanks for the book recommendation. I think it is a great read so thank her for me. It is crazy. The rational male mind would think, if I approach a lot, I will meet 'the one' but, that is far from the case. I meet more R selected women. Lots of "proud single moms" bios online or in bars and clubs (shocker). Online, i went out with a girl, we hit it off but, everything seemed so closed off and hollow. In her bedroom, I found children's toys, and she couldn't lie anymore to me. Dishonesty is a deal breaker as is single moms. Its hard man. I am happy you got a good one.

This is what scares me about the feeling of MGTOW calling me. If you do not mate, you let your genes weeded out of existence or abstinent cause of genetic ostracism; women wont fuck. I think many have far gone bad experiences or a messy divorce that they are so pissed to have sworn off all women. I saw a okcupid link that stated women rate 80% of men below average in looks. It can really show an ugly side of female vanity of vanity. So, in youth, women are climbing the dating pyramid after the males at the top, and this hypergamy. I get that but, the problem is that, many will put out and sleep around, chase these males with the pussy bomb. So, when these guys find a equal partner, some beta suppose marry a slut? Its scary. so, guys date down in hope of that will be the compensation but still, someone is ungrateful, leaves, takes their money and kids. Its crazy. I think it is similar to Deida whereby the feminine is attracted to the masculine polarity. A male with status or prestige of some sort, money, wealth power, and vision. Then again, partly, it is due to the free money she gets when she leaves. I do think a man having a vision for his life goes a long way.

Its better then Tinder lol There is a element of randomness. I picked up a few baristas before. Again, you talk to them like you already know her. No awkwardness that way. Then, more convo and flirty chatter that is still subtle. It never works for me to be aggressive. To hit on someone. It just seems out of character so, what I found works for me is, leaving the mystery on context for her to figure it out. She is not new to dating. One girl and I talked about a local bar. I said we should do drinks and I took her number. Another one, I told a barista i would see her later and the barista said, "I hope so." I took her number the next time I seen her. They all work at the same place lol There is another one there that I want now too lol

Huge mistake. You basically are shooting yourself in the foot. If you are going to stand, don't wobble. You like her? Now, chat her up. Flirt. Don't be obnoxious. No Ron Burgundy, "I want to be on you," or Brock Lesnar, "I am going home to mount my wife." Your rational male mind is what will hurt you. Women respond to feelings. Be enthusiastic, high energy, memorable, and make her feel something. Get a reaction without being too try hard. Based upon what you wrote, even what you deem as being obnoxious is likely opening your mouth and low talking. You wont get slapped. Play it cool and be confident. Chat. If she brings up her New Years or yours, have some genuine conversation. If she brings up a bar or club, a party or anything presume interest, and take that as a invite. After four encounters, acquire digits and move forward or move on.

There is a girl I know. We chat. She is cute. She is young. I will ask her out when I see her. What I find is that, a woman must dedicate herself to a man from a young age or otherwise, its usually is someone R selected. I agree that there are a lot of men sleeping with lot of women but lots of women are running out on their husbands, are setting the trend for broken daughter and son issues. When I first started to listen to Stefan, I am blown away at what I am hearing and seeing through cold approach. Lots of "proud single moms" online. Lots of R selected women. Lots of feminists, green hair middle age women, post divorce, and riding the carousel. I know how unhappy men are afterwards. I have seen countless MGTOW videos and I don't want to be that guy. If my dating experience is any indication, I am lucky to be single still, and not road kill. I don't want to sacrifice virtue, values, love, honesty, genuine, loyal. I know its not just about looks. It never was. Still, girls date up with giving sex. I disagree with you. I believe there is a alternative and that, there still is a good woman to date. Someone dedicated to self awareness, self knowledge, and likely, comes from a nuclear family with a father. A widow lost her husband. Not a single mom. Huge difference. He died. He did not just up and leave.

I thought he meant that. I am just put down with what I see when dating. I can guarantee, I have approached more women then Stefan ever has in his life, and the afterthought is pretty alarming. A pretty tall girl offered me sex. Most guys would think, what is the problem? She keeps talking about sex toys. I suspect she was drinking wine by her self and got loose lips (more then one way lol). I called her. She did not pick up. I told her to call me. Fuck, we laughed and talked for ages. Then, she got weird afterwards because I wanted to do coffee, hangout, have some chemistry not just sleep with her. She made this like that is weird? She is a very awkward person I guess. Another girl I met offered to buy me coffee one day. I took her out for coffee in response. She suggested she liked a guy that was friends. She was being coy but, I just picked up on some not positive vibes. For example, I sense she has mental health, OCD, obsessed with breast implants, social media, male attention and validation. I just kept it as friends. Sure enough, she fucked a guy well know for sleeping around. When she tried to tell me about it, I ended the conversation. The funny thing is that, she hates me just as much as that guy if not more lol These experiences with dating, they do not lend to good experiences despite the desire to add as much value as possible. Despite some terrible life experiences, great loses with so much family, I am always so positive but, not in this area because of my life experiences. Well, with sex, I feel like it has been this party that everyone was invited to but me. I had some girls like me in high school but I was always single. Afterward, many pursued me. I guess I changed a lot. I got bigger. I look more like a man. I am a lot stronger. Also, I am pretty self assured in a lot of ways, work life, and where I want to go. I want a family. I want a wife and children. I want the nuclear family but, I am afraid. With these experiences, with having approached a lot, seen tons of women I dated as single moms, lots of r selected women, I have a lost for words. One guess I ask myself is what I would do if I never got married? What if I lived as though I was already there, already complete, and had a soul mate? One vblog said to be your own soul mate. Where ever you there you are. I am trying to find peace, presence, here and now without that which I desire. I will likely miss my freedom when I am married or have a family.

I removed the first part cause it had zero resemblance what so ever to the post I made. I feel the calling of MGTOW, of going my own way, and through cold approach pickup, I have observed the dating market is a cesspool of R selected, single moms, women that have had abortions, feminists, liberal arts majors, women study majors, prioritize chasing bad boys in their youth, booty call for the investment banker or model, and marriage or kids only comes about when she gets the baby rabies or so has been my experience. If I follow Molyneux, I am sitting here waiting in vain. If I approach, there is that moralizing or some other crap. What alternative is there? I refuse to be a cuck. I refuse to date single moms. I refuse to date R selected women. I wont do it. I rather be single. Some will say, online date. Online is full of women looking for more ego validation and approval. Yes, there are some that want to date, some that are playing dating Olympics, and others seeking something of the best partner they can acquire. This is Darwin. It is not personal. I understand that. I wont be the consolation prize for the woman on the carousel. Conservative women are just so rare now a days. Every woman has a kid, is a "proud single mom" bio online, is at the bar every weekend so, what does a man do? Wait at home for a woman to pick me? No. I go out and approach but I am bombarded by r selected women. I have scares before because of these women. There is self ownership to be had. I have taken responsibility. I have chosen to be smart. I wont be a raw dog warrior. Many girls I stopped seeing because they were dishonest, many are single moms, have really high kill count, and I am grossed out. I think one day I will get the stones to call Stefan. I just know he will call me out on my contradictions lol I know he will moralize about approaching and cold approach. Again, what other alternative is there? Since starting to approach, you see so many women, lots of options but, there is a lot of serial monogamy. everyone swiping, everyone having sex, everyone discontent, and looking for more. ​Social media reads, "basic bitch" pics but the truth? Its photoshop pics, filtered, airbrushed, lulu lemon pants several sizes way too small. Always bum pics. So, show off sex appeal. Show off tits. Then, victimize oneself when dude just wanted to hook up? I had a girl I went coffee. She fucked some guy who was known to sleep around. Tried to tell me about it and I cut her off. She is to this day still mad at me cause I wont be a cuck or listen to it. I saw red flags and I refrained from any further seeing of her. Another girl said bfs are stupid but lets fuck. I wanted to hangout, see coffee first, and have a bit of chemistry. She got awkward and weird around me. Like wanting to get to know her is strange? Its strange that a guy doesn't come running when she wants to take her clothes off? I saw her recently. Again, I just said hi and she was weird about it. I wont in the future but, I kept the text msg in the event she ever came back to say something bad about me.

Thanks man. I just downloaded that book, Real time relationships, the logic of love. I am suppose to go on a coffee date later this week. A girl I dated a year ago messaged me randomly. Here, she tells me she has a bf. I don't know why nor do I care. She then, makes a big deal about us going for coffee as a date. I am curious about what Stefan means by, 'vet' a good woman. I can only guess, he means to say, screen hard. I recently ran into a woman that propositioned me for sex. She is young, I would say early or middle 20s. She kept talking about using dildos and vibrators, I can only guess she would think this was suppose to make me want her? Its weird to cause, if a man has a rubber vagina or pocket pussy, he is a weirdo yet, women have a treasure chest of rubber dicks, and its the norm. Female logic? Anyway, so, she then tells me to replace her toy. She got awkward after. I saw her a few years later and I just said hi. She was very short with me. Its funny cause, she propositioned me. Not me propositioning her. I don't get it though? There is a girl I see often at a local café. She is very receptive. I am going to ask her out but, not directly. I am just going to do it casually. Shit or get off the pot. She will come along for the ride or not. Regardless, I will pursue forward.

A letter is a bad idea. You will be the pun of her joke, some pity party narrative to her victimhood when out with friends, and commentary for alphas. Approach her. If you are not confident or man enough to do so, you do not deserve her. I approach a lot. With it, you date more but, you get more rejections too. Its a numbers game. Sadly, with tinder and online dating, its hypergamy, its dating olympics, its people discontent looking to date up, and find a better mate. You are competing in this dating field whether you like it or not. I watched on NYE, many of the beautiful women out were with investment bankers, wealthy business men, and the rich. This is what a woman gets for being beautiful. Value placed on her sexual market value. A man's is based upon looks, resources, assets, lifestyle. Add value.

I acknowledge self interest in a lot of the things people say or do. This goes for Stefan, BBC, MGTOW or anything. I want to thank you for responding. My actually message did not save so, I am writing it again. UGGGGGHHHH! I watched the gene warfare series, about every thing from truth on sex or single moms, women or anything Stefan has put out. I came across him through a Hulse podcast. I have been watching ever since. Through Hulse, he had a guy on his podcast that spoke about approaching women, about dating, and about overcoming personal fears. Thus began this life journey and path. It has not been easy. I would date a few times throughout a year in my teens. I would be liked. I rarely if ever had a gf. I had a lot of strange experiences. After a lot of crummy experiences, I started to approach, and date women. Sex was not the goal. I want to find a K selected woman. In approaching numerous women, the finding is astonishing, that a good portion are R selected, respond to the behavior, will sleep around, cheat, and look for "the bigger better prize." I understand hypergamy. I know it had a prehistoric role in providing security. I have a curiosity with self knowledge, self-awareness, with reading, with exploring my consciousness, and being my strongest self. Despite the desire to find a K selected woman be it approaching or online, I am bombarded by R selected women, sly, sleeping around, serial monogamy, spray and prey, and single moms. It is very frustrating but, a vast majority of women sleeping with all the same guys. What is scary is that, the girls then seek to be K but in my experience, it is cause of fertility, cause of the being spoiled for choice is no longer the case, plummeted sexual market value, and alphas finding better options. I don't want to date or marry that. So, I have did the waiting for a good woman. That did not work. I have did online. Its full of easy women and dating Olympics. I have approached. Again, it is time consuming, lots of single moms, and R selected. I feel the pull of MGTOW and it scares me. I want a family but, I am bombarded by either being around R selected women or single. Between a rock and hard place. How did you meet your wife or gf? I will share my journey with you along the way. I appreciate the time and happy New Year.

I am probably a sucker for punishment because I continue to either approach a perfect stranger or I online date and tinder. It is a never ending process to vet a good woman or so has been my experience. You come across little victories whatever you may deem those and you take insight into the experience. Be your own soulmate. Love yourself. Live your dream. Bring the right people into your life, add as much value as possible, and then some. The harder I seem to work, the luckier I seem to get. It is not without its challenges. I am still in the process of finding that unicorn.

I found this true for the most part but, the majority of girls I know during the top of sexual market value, chasing the bad boys seems to be the thing. It is carousel 2.0 and I know the aftermath of that from the many podcasts by Stefan. I have also seen the many problems that arise and it does not end well. I meet tons of women that openly say they don't want to get married. A woman said that the other day while eating food with me. Again, I am not sitting by passively. I am approaching tons of women and I am seeing a cesspool of very liberal, pro feminist, adverse to competition, sexually open for the bad boy, perpetrator of poor lifestyle choices, and then victim when it all comes falling down. In my youth or teens even, I was mad at the bad boys for being mean to the little Jenny or Amy or whoever. As I got older, as I dated and approached more, I began to see a pattern. If I never changed, if I never adapted, I would have been divorced, cucked, and just in ruins. I am not sure which case you are referring to since I shared multiple. One girl I went home with and then, we stopped seeing because she had a freakout at the bar. It got weird and then she tried to make me jealous. I immediately went no contact. When I saw her years later, she is presently a single mom, and she was ashamed. Another girl I went out with is again today presently a single mom and a lot heavier. Another girl suggested we hookup but boyfriends are stupid. I at least wanted to get to know her, hangout, and be friends before making this arrangement. She then got weird and we stopped talking. I saw her recently and she was awkward even more so. One girl texted me to come over. I missed her text so I text her and then called her. Nothing. I later found out she got a bf or had a bf. Another girl I met invited me to watch a movie at like 2am. She ended up sucking my dick and I flicked her bean. We weren't exclusive but, I found her being sly online through social media. I did not confront her. I just went no contact. Again, I refuse to be a cuck or to jump on a bomb when she says she is pregnant knowing it could be any guys. Its been a series of these weird experiences and it gives a guy a strange perspective. I have seen a lot of outrageous behavior and a lot of entitlement. I heard it said, be your own soulmate. Love your life. I want to explore, experience, and fun. Love myself. I can travel with someone or for now, do it myself. I am just still keen to find a solution or alternative to mgtow? I am practicing self awareness, I am challenging my own personal fears like approaching a stranger, anxiety, I am reading, learning, and looking to add value. In terms of counter balance and a reciprocal, despite my best efforts, it just has not taken. I am looking to just transcend my being and add enormous amounts of value to the point of just polarizing awesomeness in my life and the lives I come into contact with. Its tough man to stay on the narrow road, be the star of my own movie, and follow my hero's journey.

So, what does that mean for the rest of us? The best couples I met, the women during their youth dedicated to the man they married, and now, they are having kids. For me, they are the template of the ideal relationship, and their woman is the archetype. I know it is not precisely it but, these little tidbits of success, of staying power, loyalty, and commitment are not something I see in the dating world. Yeah, I have known youth is the key. The hard part is that, I am older then you, and what I would give to be 27 again. Granted, I am not much older. A year, I would love to take forward the insight of dating I have now, and give to myself. A woman that likes me complained about marriage. She does not want kids so, this eliminates her from being a prospective partner. I tried online. I have tried pua. I have tried sites. I have had luck but, in very miniscule manners and really, define "luck?" I had dated some really incredible women but, it was usually on a road trip or working abroad. It is usually some situation of serendipity and fortuity. There is some aspect of chance but, at this point, I am feeling more and more like MGTOW is calling. This puts the fear of God in me. It is not that I don't appreciate what insight I took from it. It is that I want a family and despite the foolishness of marriage given the laws now a days, my blasted male mind craves it. The problem, outside online dating, a few new girls I approached, I have no actual prospective partners I could see myself exclusive with at this point. I wish it were much simpler but, there is far too many proud single moms irl or online. IMHO, someone more my age is and has been through carousel 2.0 and if not for biology, I feel like there would be zero interest in settling down. I am sort of at a crossroad. I am thinking of backpacking through Napoli Coast. I want to see the world before my time is up on this planet. I want to share these experiences with someone but, I am constantly bombarded with reference experiences that leave me feeling like I am already MGTOW. My fear would be the fallout since there is a lack of anonymity online and in call. I am very much so into Molyneux, FDR, philosophy, and self awareness. The problem I see with relationships is that, there are so many get out of jail free cards for the girls if they choose to take them, family court, and divorce court backs them. Furthermore, riding the carousel seems to be the flavor of the week until beta male swoops in there with resources. I am not saying I have all that. I am just saying, I would not move a woman into my condo even if she were perfect. We would need to do something together and some sort of arrangement made if things did not workout, my resources would not part me. I am definitely guarded. I thought about calling in. I think it would be very insightful but, I cringe at the idea of myself being dissected online for the world to see and worse, my entire life just unraveled along with all my contradictions. I think I would if anonymity was guaranteed and there was something not quite Bane like but similar to protect me lol I know what you mean but, that is overly cynical. I must have guessed, you have at least tried online, and it didn't go over well. I have been cat fished before which sucks or the girl is a lot heavier then she showed. I have learned that a bit of weight is usually a ton of weight lol While I agree with most of what you are saying, I have known some people who have met online, and are happily married. It is less niche and a lot more common now a days. The best experiences I have had were from real life interactions but, I got the stones to approach because of pickup which Stefan has openly discussed before in a less than spectacular fashion. My take is that, if you are practicing bullshit, you are what you do. With approaching, I just went up to lots of girls, I got dates, and seen what happened. You can approach a dozen or a couple dozen girls in a night. Maybe less if it goes well. Online, you can sort of just see who you connect with much faster. IMHO and in my experience, the girls date up online, and men are dating down. So, your 7 male is sleeping with 5s and 6s. I know its terrible to reduce looks on a number scale. My point still stands. I have met and found prettier women in life better then most my experiences online with very few exceptions. I ask again, what alternative solution really is there but to play the game? To tinder or online date, to approach or to just give up and go MGTOW?

I could be mistaken but, I think he is was kidding. The notion that it is easy in the dating world is furthest from the truth. I am hoping the future podcasts go back to this topic now that the election is over. That is something I really want to dedicate my freedom toward; something great in the world. Offer absurd amounts of value. Ideally, I would like to meet someone great before then because I wouldn't be as so trusting afterwards.