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Thanks for the continued chatter. I enjoy the conversation with a fellow FDR(er) and free thinker. See, I just turned 30 and I've honestly been single for a significant portion of my life. Furthermore, I cannot imagine getting married, divorced, and then, contemplating that crap shoot again. You sir must have a iron chin. That 'pay me now or pay me later' sentiment was taught to me by my father (RIP). I've witnessed several men be it friends from childhood or fella puas/inner circle/lair gents who checked out the sec a semi decent woman looks their way. I know one way or another, the outcome usually doesn't end well for men. The same woman during top form SMV is typically bartering the pussy bomb for alpha male attention. Usually, the product of a single mom house hold accompanied by banished fatherhood. Please do yourself a favor and read, "Way of the Superior man" by David Deida. Given the cuckoldry culture we live in, the "don't need a man" feminist jargon (until of course she does, hits the wall, baby rabies, SMV plummets, War, etc), this gender neutral rubbish in society, the promo of single mother victimhood, promo for 'sloot gonna sloot.' He doesn't take a MGTOW push. He is a spiritual teacher but is less new age and emphasizes the role of masculinity, having a purpose, and living at your edge. Worthy read. Have you ever tried pickup? What is R.T.R? Part of priorities is in sync with Deida, with having self knowledge, value, purpose, direction, a path in life etc. Live at your edge. Jordan Peterson uses the ying/yang chaos/harmony analogy of walking that tight rope. Your edge is that line of fear. Take this forward in your career, in approaching a beautiful woman, at the gym lifting heavy weight, and going for your dreams. I swear to God, I am doing this to the best of my abilities, and yet, it is not easy. Listening to the biblical series By Jordan Peterson has been extremely insightful. There is value to be had through marriage but, women are not really adding value, depreciating asset, and with the fallout of a divorce, its daddy government free parade of money before jumping on the carousel. I am working on a entrepreneurial endeavor of my own. I wish entered into this mindset but, it has established the reason for being off the hamster wheel of 9-5 and making other people rich. Anyway, I am meditating, reading about the yoga sutras, Sanskrit, Bhagavad Gita, exploring my consciousness, self knowledge, reason, and evidence. Meeting a woman on this line of free thinking would be ideal. Someone seeking self knowledge. IMHO, the woman who is a free thinker, traditional, YOUNG, top form SMV etc. is the archetype for getting the ring.

I completely agree with this. I still want to find that time stamp of Stefan saying its CREEPY to date younger. How in the fuck is that an argument? You stake 50% on the MILK HAS GONE BAD? I am 30. No chance I would date a teenie bopper. Bang? Yeah. I just woudn't share or tell friends lol Well, I have seen the truth on sex podcast/youtube vid, the date accompanying it, and I cannot fathom the idea of marrying past smv or a woman with escort like kill count. It just seems retarded to stake that claim. It seems new age and following social conditioning. A girl with high kills, assuming she doesnt have aids, I would bang but, I would laugh if she talked about being serious or exclusive. NOT HAPPENING. You're reaching bro. A lot of women are feminanzis, are socially conditioned, are competing for the corner office with the men all the while trying to bang out the ceo. Women dream of family and marriage after their best years are over, after plummeting SMV, and the alphas stopped blowing up her phone. I remember good looking girls at 18 with 60 + kills in high school. Absolute whores and grosser as time goes on. I dated this college girls several years ago. Text went something like me inputting my address and getting her to come drive over to my house. I remember halloween stuff in stores so, it must have been about fall. She ended up being a big train wreck. Said she doesn't date white guys. Meaning, she loves bbc. She was a waitress. Typical of a slut. Meet loads of guys and hit the wall by 23. We went out and she would be flirty with other guys or on her phone. I ended up ditching her. Met another girl who turned 19 and I was seeing her. Again, this was years ago. Well, the train wreck I saw on social media years later. Single white mom, 90lbs heavier, and her social media rants were about victimhood as well as men being evil. It was comical. For me, it was really eye opening because I didn't understand there things. Like, I was brought up to be a nice boy. to treat a girl good but, I wasn't equipped with the skills to handle shit tests. I didn't get the stuff or the contradicting behaviors I was seeing. I did notice the on going routine with girl after girl. It wasn't until I really got going with pickup, I got more options, and saw a series of red flag patterns I knew to avoid all together.

This is not an argument. Marriage should be for a woman who is worthy of marriage. The reality being, a good portion are skiing down cawk mountain, are running through the playboys when thin, young, attractive. Fallback plan is marriage when the woman hits the wall. When SMV craters and the milk goes bad. Until the corrupt legal system and divorce courts change along with women, its not worth the risk. Furthermore, with apps like bumble, tinder, online, why would you or any man marry? The same with brothels and the red light district, Vegas etc. Its ridiculous.

The part going over your head seems to be that 2/3 divorces are initiated by women. What portion of those women were skiing down cawk mountain? I would guess all of them.

Start approaching. A gym membershi is ideal. Yoga class, spin, and a variety of others are full of women. Gyms have daycare so, there is no excuse here. Furthermore, it will be great to shake up your situation and mix it up a bit.

Dopamine spikes. Ego boost. Promote diva behavior and mitigate declining SMV.

Women don't give a fuck on your opinion. She has like 400 + matches on her tinder profile and weighs in at 180lbs. If we are talking a good looking girl, try more like a 1000 + matches. LOL@ online dating! I never knew what I was missing until I saw that.

Sadly, this is a significant portion of the female population. Even then, they have no problem getting banged. I would still hit it (with a rubber) or take a blowie. Just being honest.

Congrats on the business venture. I am working on something myself. Still, there are 168hrs a week. No harm and doing three approaches a day. If anything, it will be good for you, your business, and be nice to have another outlet in life. For the record, I am huge Stefan fan and fan of FDR as a whole but, the knock at pickup without any alternative solution is ridiculous. How has the beginner pickup going? Its not like what you would think. As in, the shit they sell online, the youtube videos with really good looking women. I listen to a variety of sources on the subject but, anytime my money is involved, I am naturally skeptical. I like rsd. While the content is over the top at times, the push that, you can improve your dating and sex life is about right. Like anything, it is what you make of it, and you get what you put into it. More so pending where you are on the dominance hierarchy and how you did in the genetic lottery. Taking your ball and going home is not the answer however, I never got married and I don't see myself ever doing so until the current court system changes. I find it hard to imagine a live in gf at this point but, I have met some good women usually randomly and abroad. As in, road trip, and managed to keep in touch. I agree with you but, if we were fucked over in that predicament, married, cucked, woman runs off with our children, and the courts give her our resources as she unleashes the dogs of the state, we would be pretty pissed too. Nice. Keep me updated on both biz and pickup. I like the inspiration. I notice after I get older, making younger friends is ideal because they got the drive to go out, workout, and want to pickup girls. Pickup, you meet lots of women, they have friends, and they have friends. Its open ended. If you talk to everyone, guys included, you wont get AMOG, and you can make some new friends you can go out with.

Waiting.....?

This is the path I am on. Been at it for a long time. You get better. What to say and acquiring digits is water off a ducks back. Sex too but, dry spells happen. Life gets in the way. Also, seeing women gradually slip and fall from grace is pretty eye opening as to anxieties/rejection/failures. Running into women from the past and seeing where party girl lifestyle and being the booty call of the bad boy is enlightening. I've found Stefan to be overly critical of pickup but, he offers no alternative solution. My eyes are open. Waiting for government to fail and for women to need men again is not the solution. Calling it creepy to date younger is not an argument. It is a solution. The problem here then is, the gap of age, maturity, and commonality. More importantly, the lack thereof in common interests and outside sex, little in sync if anything at all. Women more my age have a shit load of baggage, are entitled, a lot are thirsty, and a few drinks in, sex is off the table (do not need to get charged or called rapey). Furthermore, alcohol is a truth serum. I had a awesome date with a woman closer to my age. After some wine, she dumps her baggage, and BS. Basically, got fucked around by guys throughout her 20s. Once she got going, I hit the ejection button, and made my escape. A week later she texted all pissy by my disinterest. I also think its shitty if a guy is just dragging a woman on for the ride thinking its going somewhere. Are you dating?

Its as high as 2/3 divorces initiated by women. You can search for yourself. Its terrifying. I see MGTOW as butt hurt, fucked over by women, by the laws, and then, raped financially by women who jump back online to run through a series of men. Train wrecks. I suspect most did not vet a woman. Most did not date much beforehand and gave the ring to the first semi not busted woman. I think if we went through what they did, we would adopt some pretty interesting psychological realities, and view the world as a lot more hostile then we currently do now. ___________________________________________________________________________ I love FDR/Stefan's content. I have binged through EVERY pair bonding, dating, sex, truth on sex/single moms, Gene warfare, genetic ostracism, etc. there is. Still, after countless days of content, NO SOLUTION IS OFFERED. Waiting for government to fail and for women to need men again is not a solution nor is it an argument. Declaring, dating younger as "creepy" is not an argument but, for me, this is a solution. The only way I can see myself marrying is a woman on top form SMV is dedicated to the LTR. I am barking up the wrong tree, with the wrong country, and generation. Young women are spiking their ego through social media, tinder, and running wild. Little do they know, new girls are turning 18/19/20/21 everyday. At 30, the last couple girls I dated were early 20s. Women more my age, women I knew in college or high school will come out of the wood works. All of whom are single moms, classic examples of women that spent their best day skiing down cawk mountain, the equivalent of what MGTOW calls cock carousel. Present day, CAN'T GET THE RING but guess what, she has got some victimhood to rant about. I went home with a dancer. She did competitive dance most of her life. She taught as well. I liked her. Unfortunately, she came from a broken home. Mother lied to her telling her, her father didn't want her so, said female would go boy crazy, and seek a bf. She would do so in a terrifying manner. Needless to say, this did not workout not to mention, the shitty life path her mom followed, she would emulate. A few years go by and guess who I run into? Single mom. No man in sight. Said woman could not make eye contact. This is what pickup brings. A series of approaches which equate to blow outs/rejections/flakes/train wrecks/party girls/sloot gonna sloot. It also leads to more dating hooking up, flings, sex, and seeing exactly what you like or do not like. A man who was mentally weak would have given up a long time ago given a series of these experiences. Thank god I never got anybody pregnant or put on the hook for child support or god knows what. I like Stefan. I watch religiously but, he provides no solution. I could never articulate it and put into words what was so special about YOUTH and dating a woman at top form SMV. I listen to Peterson who described youth as "POTENTIAL." TOP FORM SMV EQUATES TO POTENTIAL! That said potential will get the ring. Even the girl in another thread speaking about self knowledge at age 23 is of said potential. It just a rarity these days since most want their cake and want to eat it too. They want to follow society with the IG ass pics, the sloot gonna sloot, single mom, and then victimhood when cannot get the ring. My batting average is piss poor but, guess what? I am doing better then the next guy who thinks he is James Bond waiting for women to pick him. Even the batting average is a piss poor excuse to live in mediocrity. Play it cool. Wait. That one special girl. Forever. Society needs these little tidbits to keep order. The reality is that, it is fucking dark, it is chaotic, and what men think women are especially in the west couldn't be farthest from the truth. Most times, the juice is not worth the squeeze. Still, there is only one way to find out.

Maximum attraction? Hmmm. Well, I do not know how to answer that. The same when men deem a woman a 9 or a 10. What does that even mean? I approach based upon genuine interest, attraction, and I begin from a clean slate. By that, i mean, no previous experience or date affects how I see her. Its only after getting to know her, how what she says aligns with what she does, I proceed accordingly. Now a days, liberals are screaming racist or misogyny, and to quote Stefan, its not an argument. I am no MGTOW by any stretch. I don't see the value in taking my ball and going home but, the entitlement for the ring, children, and white picket fence thereafter SMV has cratered goes over my head. How some men participate when the same woman in her best days would never give the time is just begging for getting cucked. Generalizing or not, it doesn't dispute that a significant amount of the behavior I've come across is not acceptable dating let alone a LTR or even dare I say marriage. Quality isn't reached because in the west, the vast majority of women are skiing down cawk mountain, are running through the bad boys, and are clinging to marriage after SMV has cratered or nearly. You got cucks raising bastard children out of wedlock, footing the bills for single moms, the same woman that was giving said man no time a day beforehand. Hits the wall and the fallback is beta male cuck provider. There is a lack of quality. Its a zero sum game. Winner takes all. Feminism pushes the narrative of male disposability. Apps like tinder are dopamine spikes for women when on top form SMV as is social media. Most men marry the woman who is semi attractive and willing to give the time a day. No self exploration. They know nothing else. No options. Hence why "not in the mood" takes for some many guys. I have a buddy. If a gf or a fwb/ons says, "I am not in the mood," he respects it but, lets her know, he is going out to get his. If she wont take care of his needs, some other girl will. This was eye opening. Again, I approach from genuine interest. Attraction is there. I wouldn't approach a woman who was morbidly obese or I couldn't get hard with lol I am not saying they are all gorgeous or runway models. I am not that either. Its a clean slate. I begin with enthusiasm. With open conversation. At the instant of red flag, flaky, entitlement, diva-like behavior, I grow avoidant. Its not so much in what I say but, my sub communication, body language, and my disinterest. For instance, a woman went off on a tangent, "don't need a man." Makes money. Has her own house. I actually brought her up to JTO years ago. There is nothing for me here. In terms of femininity, she was attractive but, she expelled feminist doctrine which turned me off. Surely enough, the closer to hitting 30, and and as SMV cratered, suddenly, guess who starts blowing up my phone, drunk dialing? As a younger man, late teens or early 20s, I would attempt to rationalize what this meant? As I got older, my eyes opened, and I took the red pill. She pissed away her best years and SMV craters or nearly has. She ran through the bad boys/playboys/alphas and reality is suddenly kicking in. Her best years were for the men that would not give her the ring. She jumped off dome dude's dick. he stopped calling. Found someone thinner, hotter, younger, and she now needs back up plan. Unfortunately for her, I was with someone much younger, and life moves on. Now a days, apps like snapchat are fantastic for the man that uses online. I have been catfished as some other men have been. School boy error. Add number and acquire picture. Many women post their high school pics when a hundred pounds lighter. I fear getting cucked. I fear pissing away this life with the wrong woman. An alternative of course is not choosing and going this journey alone. Despite the series of rejections, failures, flakes, this life path doesn't leave me wondering, WHAT IF? Living in fear is not living at all. When I look back on my life, on my death bed, I can say, I did everything in my power to acquire the ideal wife and mother of my children. There is that old saying, God helps those who help themselves. At this point, there is nothing more i can do that is humanly possible outside exploring my consciousness, self knowledge, reason, and evidence. This is the path I am taking on. I have met maybe three women in my life that were somewhat aligned with that. Its a rarity for sure. I appreciate you taking the time. Now, I have a few questions for you. Are you married? Dating? If so, how did you meet. If you are single, how do you proceed? I find it funny. Most men will say on reddit/misc/4chan, they never get rejected. Women come to them. IRL, they are going home with a fatty or other low hanging fruit, single moms, and some downtown jump off. You can skim through any of these sorts of threads and here it. Some guy sits by the bar and women play the role of men, and pursue. YEAH OK BUD. So, low hanging fruit with masculine intent. Sounds like a great time.

PIC or it didn't happen!

You sound psychotic and delusional. Like you have some woman's name on a sock puppet.

Your conversion rate sounds spectacular and that coming from someone that spam approaches lol

Well, in our society, men are evil, fathers are banished, and women can do no wrong. A classic example is Jion Ghmeshi whereby, male pushing 50 is smashing women in their 20s and when plummeted SMV women more his age find out, they freak the fuck out and cry foul. False sexual assault allegations, collusion, lying under oath, and of course, no fallout for their actions. It was clearly a shot at genetic ostracism. Nice attempt at trolling. Had me until you said "deflower." Hows the red light district treating you?

No offense bro but guys usually say they don't get shutdown when they take down fatties or pick low hanging fruit; women that want them rather then pursuing top form SMV. If you are gunning for top form SMV, you get shutdown PERIOD. My bud is a model and he gets shutdown. Bangs models, pageant winners, 10s on the regular. He's never had a dry spell EVER. He reels girls everywhere be it online or IRL. Many a times, women are in LTRs, married, engaged or in some weird life scenario. They never mention it and it comes up eventually. I am not saying people need to spam approach. There is likely a better route but, waiting for women to pick you is not the best viable option. Hot girl in the gym. How do you proceed? Eye contact more then once is an invitation from my perspective and anything will suffice as an icebreaker. Most guys try cowardly in their workplace or social circle. Rarely a perfect stranger regardless of the scenario. It needs to be the perfect situation.

LOL @ Mr right this time! LOL @ single mom with kid + expecting & is online dating. Any cucks available? This is a classic example of online dating. I would rather take a toaster oven into a bath tub then date that. Even worse, most of the pics are usually of women from their high school years when 70lbs lighter. Online is not a solution anymore then going to the red light district. How can anybody advocate this as being a solution?

Hi River, Prepare yourself for a wall of text lololol I agree entirely with you. If you look at society, one of the narratives promoted is "girl power," followed by pedaling victimhood. Promo for 'sloot gonna sloot,' single moms, and banished father syndrome. Twitter had this attack on fathers day. Its fucking disgusting. Not shocking, the internet dating world is bombarded with feminists, single moms, and plummeting SMV. Bios that read, "no fuck boys" but, top form SMV is dedicated that route and fallback is marriage. Furthermore, a lot of men are being raised in single mom households, not taught to step up, to be a man, and this push for gender neutrality is just not working for anybody; male or female. As a man, its a turn on hear a woman at a young age DEDICATED to SELF KNOWLEDGE; KNOW THY SELF! Exploring her consciousness. Into FDR, reads a book, is a free thinker, has a life outside social media, and posting ass pics on IG. At the cost of sounding like a broken record, a woman I know who is a extreme attention whore went off on a tangent: "DONE WITH MEN." She dates man child(s) for the record. She went on, "I am NEVER GETTING MARRIED. I JUST NEED A GOOD LOOKING GUY FOR DICK EVERY NOW AND THEN!" Her IG is like every other profile, ass pics, semi nudes, and attention whore. Equivalent of female posturing. Promoting the pussy bomb, ego maniac one sec, and then, classic victimhood the next. I am not talking a teen girl. I am talking a fully grow woman in her late twenties. The crash is coming. Single mother victichood will kick off before 30 not doubt. She brags about fucking guys on steroids. When they stop blowing up her phone, found someone hotter, thinner, younger, she tries to hit up friend. He is now dating someone much younger and she is furious. Product of a single mom household and following social conditioning. Applaud yourself for unplugging from the Matrix, for taking the red pill, for being a FREE THINKER, and navigating your life. We all are as you said, a composite of ideas, ideologies, and beliefs. We're socially conditioned. We're still very much so tribal. If someone screams RAPE/RACISM/MISOGYNY etc, its Gandalf, "YOU SHALL NOT PASS!" Its classic genetic ostracism. The more I become aware of it, the more I adopt aversion, and become more alienated from people. I am working on self knowledge, reason, and evidence. I am reading about the yoga sutras, Sanskrit, Gita, meditating, practicing yoga, exercising, eating healthy (adding in herbs and spices to spike dopamine, GABA, AcH, serotonin, etc), and keep my testosterone levels high especially as I age. This life path is not easy because society promotes "DURRRRRR!" It promotes mediocrity and all that is amateur hour. Play it safe. Nothing about confidence, about how to meet a stranger, how a man should put himself out to meet a woman such as yourself. Instead, it is demonizing all that is masculine. The Obama administration input legislation on college campuses whereby, any sort of unwarranted advances such as asking a woman out could be deemed sexual assault (Source: Men on Strike by Helen Smith). It doesn't promote stepping up as a man, as couples, and it really coincides with that broken nuclear family. I work with many women who would gladly be stay at home moms but, they pissed years away chasing careers and running up the student bubble. For the record, YOU CANNOT DECLARE BANKRUPTCY ON STUDENT LOANS. Its BLOOD MONEY! Your forced into the workplace and at gun point because you cannot negotiate for yourself since you are slave to your master while in debt. The ratio is 4:1 women to men in college. The promo for "don't need a man" equates to how disposable men are in society in 2017. A woman is suppose to spend her years chasing career and pissing away her youth, her SMV (sexual market value) and what, GO NUTS AT 30 + trying to lockdown a good man? https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2011/11/all-the-single-ladies/308654/ Please, do yourself a favor, and have a quick read through this article above. Woman age 28 drops bf who she loves. She says 20s was for "finding herself." Translation: "sloot gonna sloot." Present day, options are gone, CANNOT GET THE RING, and its pity party time on STEROIDS! You ducked this lifestyle by choosing SELF KNOWLEDGE! You're not on this life path. I don't even know what you look like but, I would be THRILLED to meet a young woman putting herself out like this. Stepping up. Seeing the carnage all around and taking drastic action to not be a statistic. Good for you. Continue on your path. Maybe do some traveling, look at exploring the world, consciousness, and think about what you want in this life time? What are you reading currently? A good author to check out is Daivd Deida. I think you would really like his work. I know what you mean by get depressed and what to do about it? I've approach a ridiculous amount of women in my life be it bars, clubs, gym, coffee shop, library, college campuses, etc. I thought by now, I would be married, wife, and kids. The white picket fence. A dog even. Its not turned out that way and THANK GOD. For starters, I am not ready yet, and I have yet to find the sort of woman I could stake EVERYTHING ON. Risk my net worth which isn't to say, I am rich by any means. Far from it. Its the time, the effort, and energy but, most important of all, choosing the MOTHER OF MY FUTURE CHILDREN! If any man has put themselves out as much as I have, they would have gone MGTOW a long time ago but, THIS VISION SUPERSEDES EVERYTHING. On my death bed, I can look back and say, I did everything in my power to find the best ideal woman for my future children without regret. Its not about looks or ass pics on social media. If I get sick or were to die, my wife needs to hold down the fort, and my children cannot end up in foster care or abandoned all together. The increase in mental health in women is a by product of that fast party girl lifestyle. It doesn't end well but, it definitely adds to the daddy government requirement. I don't know g how best to answer your question but, suggest you do your best! Live. Love. Learn. Laugh! Talk to more people. Put yourself out there. Make friends. Interact. Find more like minded people. I am watching Jordan Peterson's biblical series on Youtube. He is well spoken and great at extrapolating the meaning. Something that caught my attention in his recent video was that, he said every time God calls upon someone, its not as though life is all rainbows and gum drops. Its a rocky path answering that calling and chaos along the way even still before reaching "the promised land." Nothing great ever came easy. This life isn't suppose to be easy but, we are from a generation that pedaled participation trophies and ribbons for doing nothing. 17yrs of government education has been a joke. Its journey. Not the destination. Enjoy this life. In Asia, many gurus and mystics don't answer questions with an answer the way people do in the west. They typically respond with another question therefore, you must come up with an answer yourself. To answer your question, what would make this journey all the more worth while when you look back on your life? Start here. Keep me posted. Its nice knowing there still are women like this out there.

I like How Stefan points about government failing and women needing men again. I see the same when war breaks out.

Beyond actual sex appeal, attractiveness, looks; the path you are undertaking is going to draw the ideal male candidate you seek long term to build a life with. Its ironic. Many of the systems be it feminism, government, society, SJWs, etc. that pretentiously front as though they are supporting women one way are in turn cheering women off the cliff. Its social engineering to the max with the promo for single moms, for sleeping around, for chasing career, and squandering youth. Peterson points out not listening to what people say they're about but, what they're saying they are against. Good luck to you. I am sure you will do well.

Thank you for this awesome post. One of the best I've seen even though I know it was for TS not me. I am taking DRASTIC ACTION. I am doing Past/Present/FUTURE authoring suite (dual login purchase; buddy gave me access). I am reading JBP' Maps of meaning. I watched through his Maps of Meaning, Personality, and biblical series vblogs. I am dedicated to self knowledge; "KNOW THY SELF." I am exploring my consciousness. I am getting a education through a variety of sources, not the amateur hour government edu, and listening to fdr/Stefan. Currently, I am reading about the Yoga Sutras, Sanskrit, meditating, working out, eating healthy, and doing a series of udemy courses online. All the above is in between a series of career moves 9-5. In my free time, I approach a crazy amount of girls everywhere from bars, clubs, gym, coffee shops, yoga class, martial arts, and others. I have used online but, again, it is a cesspool of liberal crazy, SJWs, feminists, single moms, and many women with cratering SMV. I remember picking up a college girl, age 22 who had 400 tinder matches, and she collected them for the ego boost/dopamine spike. I avoid it like the plague and find, the amount of time spent to approach is high but, the investment converts much better then the easy passive dating reproach of online. I have watched every series you can think of with respect to dating and LTRs from Truth on Sex/Single moms, Gene Warfare series, vids on Mgtow, and a numerous others. Still, the message is loud and clear; DON'T DATE SINGLE MOMS. Still, Stefan fails to provide a solution. He knocks pickup but, again, provides no alternative. Even with pickup, its not like, you talk to one girl, get laid, and live happily ever after. Its fucking trench warfare out here. The dating pool is gone mad. Many women are pretentious narcissistic as in, DIVA ON STEROIDS ON MOMENT, SMV PLUMMETS, AND NOW, ITS SINGLE MOTHER VICTIMHOOD TIME. I am a old school guy. I like to take women out for dinner or coffee. The thing is, if you see a woman a handful of times, and there is no progression, you are getting cucked. People will jump to examples of alternative scenarios but, this is not any more of an argument then a feminist screaming misogyny. An anomaly doesn't dispute the fact that, a woman will cuck one dude, fuck her ex or playboy, and take your dinner dates. I've found CASUAL hangs > old school dating. Netflix and chill over expensive dinners, flowers, using resources to lock her in. A woman recently went off on a tangent; "DONE WITH MEN, NEVER GETTING MARRIED, JUST NEED GOOD LOOKING MAN FOR DICK EVERY SO OFTEN." ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Said woman's IG is just ass pics; female posturing for the alpha. Begging to be a single mom. Shocker, daddy dearest isn't in the household and cycle repeats itself. I am all ears man. I am probably spinning my wheels. ATM, I will continue to approach, to put myself out there but, I am so removed from being emotionally invest, from taking any of this to heart. I approach from genuine interest ALWAYS. I see a beautiful woman, I give her the chance to see what she is about, and I refrain from doing what JBP says men do; projecting some ridiculous archetype onto her that she cannot live up which makes the man a bumbling idiot. I build rapport, talk in a manner that builds off commonality, and interest. She is either interested or is not. If I suggest coffee and she agrees but, she shows no initiative, I lose her digits. If I hookup with a girl and I see her up on some other dudes' via social media, I lose her digits. If I see cuckoldry like behavior and other red flags, I pull away. I am doing my absolute best but, I am seeing more and more reasons not to marry. Stefan and JBP all point to the pros of marriage mostly which are for the children. It creates an ideal environment but, I am not doing all this to be some ATM or mark for some woman past her prime. Last few girls were 22, 23, 26. When women ghost me, you hit off, hangout, and she just disappears, EVERY TIME SHE JUST JUMPED OFF SOME OTHER GUYS DICK (ex bf, player/playboy/badboy etc). When they start texting, its never genuine or honesty. Its, she got chucked but, she plays off the "I just was busy" rubbish. My biggest fear now is if my eyes hadn't opened up to the reality out there. Furthermore, if you haven't noticed, Hollywood is pushing cuckoldry culture throughout majority of these mainstream tv shows (Stranger things, HIMYM, Breaking Bad, Shameless, etc). It portrays the horse shit society we are living in, the promo for single moms, for 'sloot gonna sloot,' and for "manning up," giving plummeting SMV the ring when the MILKS GONE BAD. Boys, I will find my Queen or MY BLASTED GENES WILL BE WEEDED OUT OF EXISTENCE!

I would go as far as to say, you and I agree more then anybody else on this forum. I would take it further to say, you are one of the few people I would deem a bud on this forum. I love FDR/Stefan and what he brings forward. I think we are both on the same page with dating, YOUTH > THE MILKS GONE BAD, and that, "CREEPY" as pursuing said venture is 'not a argument.' FUCK, we need to time stamp where and when he said that exactly. Anyway, your saying who you dated which doesn't suggest anything about the process in which you are going about for the most part outside tinder which is the passive dating role or majority of females typical approach. I am curious as to the ratio you approach, meet at bars or clubs, the gym, coffee shops, etc. My process is more along the lines of 'natty game.' Not so much pickup as in routines or gimmicks but, actually just mingling with lots of people, women are potentials, men are pals, friends, wings, gym partners, and just exploring my consciousness. I am a fairly attractive guy who works super hard. Women have deemed be a solid 7. Lets say, 6.5. Women on that rating are running through the top of the pyramid of men; as in, 6.5 getting banged out by 8/9s only to seek white picket fence when hitting the wall or nearly. I've experienced a lot of loss, death, chaos in my life, and I am still hitting the ground running top speed. Conversion rate in both the business/corporate/dating world is poor. Ideally, I am trying to work on my conversion rate, on meeting the ideal sort of woman to MARRY, give the ring to, and the only way I can see this happening is a woman is committed during her SMV top form. Otherwise, DO NOT WANT! I don't want single mother victimhood, I am not interested in raising the alpha male's baby, and or settling down with someone once bad boys stop blowing up her phone. I am open to hear more about your process. I AVOID ONLINE like the plague. I've been catfished by a woman who tried to sit on me before. She posted her pics from high school but present day is FAT AS FUCKKKKKKKK. Majority of bios are single moms, low status women, and jump offs. Its harder to approach a girl in the gym, to approach in a coffee shop like say starbucks or her workplace but, the conversion rate having done so is 99%. As in, if you pickup in said environments, its practically a layup. Again, many of the gyms are women with semi nude outfits, skin tight yoga pants with shirt tucked int showing off too much ass; female equivalent of posturing. basically, begging to be a single mom. I will go as far and say, if anybody had the amount of experiences with the tyrannical feminine as me, they would have gone MGTOW AGES AGO. For me, I am sucker for punishment I guess. I deem the outcome of WIFE, MOTHER OF MY FUTURE CHILDREN, and QUEEN OF MY CASTLE > infinite amounts of rejection. I will go to the grave KNOWING, I LEFT IT ALL OUT THERE. No regrets. I miss some approaches. Open ended invitations, girl checks me out and I am too in my head some days. It happens but, I am definitely doing my best.

And the other half is R selected, low IQ, making buzzing noises, and trying to bite their ear in between screaming racist/misogyny.