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How to Win This Culture War (a.k.a. Stef was right)
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I'd be fine with if in my lifetime we only dramatically reduce the really bad abuse. Better outcome than in all previous human history. -
You claim there is no way to know reality, but you keep making claims about reality. Logic, reason and evidence are all derived from reality. Yet you try to use them to convince others they can't use them to know reality. This is what tyrants do. This is what truly evil people do. They get you to deny your own perception so that they can supplant it with their own. "There is no such thing as truth!" Really? So is it true there is no such thing as truth? sorry, won't work on me. I don't care how scary your parents were to you as a child. Now, if you are curious at all about what I've just said we can continue. However, if you persist in trying to get me to turn against myself, I'll simply block you for being a complete piece of crap. Here's where we get to see what's really in your heart.
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Same here. Those first 1000 is one hell of a journey.
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You're 17. Go forth unto the world and get thy ass kicked. Produce and no one will give two pence about your IQ. Be one of those people who says, "Yeah Cambridge rejected my application," in the article written by Forbes with your face splashed across the cover.
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https://www.selfleadership.org/ifs-store.html#books Internal Family Systems Therapy -Richard Shwartz Learn about IFS then read about the French Revolution and see how our internal parts organize the external world into the same mold. If you really want to start getting a grasp on this stuff, go internal (really small) and then external (really big) and find the commonalities and patterns. Back and forth. Back and forth. Then after a few iterations of extremes, learn something that falls in the middle of that scope. When you begin to see a common pattern/thread/theme no matter the scope, then you're on to something fundamental.
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Honesty. Now call into the show with this question.
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Yes it was all general. Not specific to you. However, now I'll make specific comments to you. How do you square a circle? What does blue look like when it's green? How can you know everything and be able to change anything? These are illogical questions. Here's another one. How do you change a mind that isn't open to change? You can't. It's not that we haven't figured it out. It's that it is completely impossible because the question is illogical.
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If you cannot concede this very very basic point, please stop with the philosophy. You're hurting yourself and others. This is completely dishonest and vile.
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And yet, here you are using a language you understand with the assumption those you're talking to understand it, too. Is it true that you understand what I just wrote to you?
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Thank you, yes I understand the confusion now. If someone's mind is not open to reason and evidence, it is because of some emotional attachment to a thing that would be affected by a change of mind on the subject. The natural state of the human mind is curiosity. It wants to know new things. When the mind shuts down through some trauma, reason and evidence for whatever the issue you'd like to change their mind on cease being effective tools. You have to come at the problem sideways, backwards, and upside down. You can change someone's mind who's mind is not open, but it requires an enormous investment in time, patience, the skills to know what to ask and when, and the reputation with that person so they will give you the time needed. It's looking for food 5 miles under the surface of the sea, pitch black, and no bearings. Basically, you have to open their mind by applying reason, evidence, empathy, and emotional space over a long period of time to the memory of the original point of trauma that is shutting off their mind on whatever issue you want to change their mind on. Here's where it starts to suck. Even if you invest of yourself 100% into opening someone's mind, they may never do so. They can keep you spinning your wheels forever. So why did I give my original answer? Because it is not worth your time to do this. Why sacrifice yourself for one person? What about the other people in your life who would lose out on experiencing you? Why go deep sea diving with very low chances of success when there is low hanging fruit all around you? Some fruit has even fallen from the tree and lays at your feet. Time is of the essence and we need numbers. So make a choice. Are you going to live your own life and allow those who love you for who you really are to experience life with you? Or are you going to crucify yourself at the alter of someone else's cowardice, because you are too much of a coward to accept that they have their own choices to make, which may not include you? We are not talking about two different things. edit: It also could be that they are only slightly hung up on something, but apply reason and evidence for the most part. If this is the case, start on common ground. Always start on common ground.
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"Isn't cutting it" isn't an argument. None of what you said makes any sense if you're a long time listener. Yes, I hold long time listeners to a higher standard. I'm not going to approach you like some normie. If you have a problem with that, I can't help you. Move on.
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While political discussions are better then mundane day-to-day junk, they are not a substitute for honest discussions about what you feel and what your experience is in the world. I think you're ready for those discussions and your family is not, hence the disconnect.
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And I explained why. Why would you not respond to the rest of the post if you have a question like that?
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Out of Peaceful Parenting you will be introduced to UPB, as well as many other very important concepts. Also, unless you're really into ethical theory, UPB can be dry and somewhat challenging. UPB is the playbook, Peaceful Parenting is the playing field.
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I don't think it's a tough question. You said it yourself, I gave good answers (which were incredibly short, btw). What's tough is recognizing that when we try to convince people in our lives who are unconvincible we are betraying ourselves through self-erasure. We are saying to ourselves and the world, "I'm only worth what people give me!" When you swallow the red pill, you don't get to decide who comes with you. Everyone makes their own choice. All you can do is be there ready with honesty when they become curious. This question, when filtered through the Honesty Machine, goes like this. . . "In my isolated world, which I do not acknowledge, I've come across information that gives me another distraction from myself in the form of a cause to fight for. But all I really want is to be close to those around me. How do I get them to want to fight for the cause, too? Then we can go on pretending we aren't isolated." All you need is honesty. If you approach someone with 100% honesty (which doesn't mean you're dumping on them, just means you do not obfuscate), you will know right away what type of relationship they are comfortable having. It's really simple. Not easy if you aren't used to it.
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Because Stef demonstrates this on the show every week. Do we really need to go over this?
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Through example. Live your principles. Be happy. Others will follow.
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I mean, you've listened to the call in shows, right?
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Yes, of course. Engage them once. You should know after the first encounter. Most people you'll know after the first 5 minutes. So the answer to your question is "How do you not know?" "You" be very specific to you, DaVinci.
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Do not argue with irrational people. If they are rational and in error, their minds can be changed. Otherwise, YOU are being irrational. It is not rational to try and change the mind through rationality of someone who is irrational.
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Is it irony that the most controversial thing Stef ever talks about, the thing he's somewhat (understandably), but by far not entirely got away from the past two years, the thing which he was attacked for by people on the right, the thing which he based his whole show on from the very beginning, is the thing that will win this culture war? Are we surprised at that...? ....have you donated to the show recently? If you don't know about the Daddyofive YouTube channel, be warned, he and his wife abuse their children, especially the youngest, and try to pass it off as just pranks.
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You already know the answer.
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https://vid.me/QXXV