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No voes hyvvee päevöö So yes welcome and i am from finland as wel. Infact there is about 5-6 of us from FDR in finland..

Brilliant Stefan and Mike! This is a perfect introduction for so many people whom come in recently to watch FDR, it is a great hook and great way for them to connect with more of the philosofical side of this conversation. I foudn this perfectly combined the current crisis, past and future that is going to be good and peaceful only trough steady rational principles.

How is it a false dichotomy? I never said rulers are morally valid, i only said the state has forced us to choose one if we want free society at all if we want freedom of speech and trade to remain (trade at relative higher rate than hilary aby a mile.). If there was something else id do it in a heartbeat. I dont see we have time. What does you last sentance have to do with anything? I never said nor implied other decision in my life include politics. Ill do similiar responce in bold aswell.

Hey guys, i am currently trying to block some people on my phone (android) and i am wondering does anyone know or have experience with blocking toxic or/and unwanted people from contact on phone? (Though experiences on email would be great to hear too) I ask because i am not sure if sms spam folders contents get deleted over time or do i have to manually delete them every time thus having to get snipped of what the person was writing? Ugh... Same with email too i guess...

So in other words, you do not trust trump any more than any of those others? His character and background are not enough? If so then do you think anyone no matter how good or benevolent will be corrupted or his/her effects stifled? And in the end it will all be same as if hilary got into power. (relatively same) Wait how am i saying "you are my master" by voting a canditate who is for removal or blocking of the increase ins tate power? All i see here is that what i am saying is "all of these people to be in power you are the best". Its a situation of force either way. Hilary gets in power things get worse, muhc muhc worse, trump gets in power things will based on his past record and character improve. And not just improve economically but also give credence to freedom and ideas about freedom and actual standarts in society being more openly accepted. This is why i called it "defensive voting" which you dont agree makes sense; I do jsut because of this reason. If it were a an achocie between trump or freedom id choose freedom naturally. But there is only trump and hilary atm. If voting in the circumstance of coersion is indeed immoral then me holding a gun to your wife and saking which part should i shoot: The head of the toe? Yuo wouldnt be called immoral for saying the toe. And when the state threatens with its existing structure ideas of freedom itsels being spoke in society and pouring in massive amounths of people that have significantly no change in hell of changing to peaceful parenting or lisening to reason... id call that dire situation IF you want a free society or ideas of freedom and reason to be spread around you. I care what works too. And defensively voting to me is legitimate course and NOT an immoral one. I know politics will not se us free, but when state threatens that option that will set us free we must lisen and pay attention if our comittement to freedom and reason means anything at all.

I see. I will think about this... however it being coersive situation, my stand is that you can vote to curtail state power in dire circumstance like when there public vote on something which directly is threatening you. Or when you have good reason to believe the person you vote for is either erasing state power or holding it back. Now i know we have no guarantee for that besides having trust ins omeone else when it comes to politicians, but i maintain that such actiosn are NOT immoral by maybe naive given a canditates lack of good record at being trutworthy. Also when there literally is no time, (as stef points out) we cant have road to free society destroyed and then imagine we cans till get there with peaceful parenting or reason and evidence.

So if i understand you correctly, voting IS same as giving consent openly to the state? And that voting like trump or say brexit doesnt have any positive effects to curtail state power? I beg to differ that if people vote defensively it send message that only reason to vote is to hold back state powert or to remove it. Whether politicians follow on said promises is one thing, i think sending signals like that can be useful in dire circumstances. If someone theatens to take my freedoms away (let say free speech or freedom of religion) and they put it up for a public vote i would vote "defensily". And i would consider this a necceryry speed bumb as Stef says to buy more time. If one votes and then says he does it defensively to ERASE state power or hold back it. Are you saying that this is totally moot since if he then goes and talks to people about the nature of the state, anarchism, reason ect. He is making his case weaker or moot? Because i dont see how that would be the case.

A knight in shining armor usually was jsut another murderer for the state. The ones in black armor wer usually victims/thiefs/rebels. A HERO was the guy whom invented the printing press and who spoke the truth when it was uncomfortable. Like certain astronemer... Nowdays... we only need to be the former and little bit of the latter. (mostly verbal confrontation or ostracism). So yeah i know some heroes. Just like those Dsayers said.... but with one addition. A hero needs to be around people who trust him enough that he can tell them theyre wrong in soemthing. In error. World will not be just saved by heroes whom stood up to evil and abuse and for reason. It will be saved by heroes whom kept other heroes in check and mentally sound by NOT sugarcoating theyre critism or feelings.

So defensively voting for donuld trump is giving support for statism as a whole? How? Do we have evidence that defensive voting not only doesnt work but actually is counter productive?

I think its true and makes sense. But always remember: "Violance should be used againts me, i am a bad person. And so are you too." Is childhood formed self attack. This is not reason it is emotions (and trauma) masquearading as reason.

After getting frustrated yesterday by my writing being deleted accidentally... i had some more time to think and more people to chat with. I know that i was more asking question in certain order to almost kinda find out what was the right question. But i know now, thanks to you and my friends... And talking with them about honesty and with honesty... i do value my preferences. And i do know that i was calm emptiness rather than despair since i feel now like I’ve cleaned off loads of trash and confusion off my shoulders. It’s still tad hard to give myself permissions, but I’ve done it with few things slowly now... Reason being what i wrote in my journal: **""REASON: My preferences were danger to those around me in big and small and subtle ways. So they had to be labelled, "wrong" "bad" "leading to chaos and despair" "out of control" and so on. And my parent’s preferences had to labelled as SHOULDs. But they were just preferences too. And thus i am clear and solid; Reason my preferences evoke such hostility is because of them. This is also the reason why when i think on acting and believing in myself and in my preferences i get anxious and scared. It’s because those around me attacked with supposedly "objective" SHOULDs. Thus making me believe that objective rules were the highest importance coming from "good" authority.""** And to add to this Dsayers, I believed that i should not be allowed to prefer things because i could prefer evil things too and just act on them as easily as i would act in things like preferring to live or preferring to eat or preference for truth. And so on. But those were my abusers, parents, teachers, bullies all one and the same... labelling what I want as "dangerously arbitrary" as my mom once put it. This is why part of me that is my anger and me came to believe i was an evil villain. Being angry at my parents in this situation went in horribly incorrect conclusion that my anger MUST and be an EVIL preference that must be kept at bay at all times and objective RULES must override my preferences. Because supposedly "left on theyre own" aka me giving myself permission and having preferences generated by myself i would do whatever. So yeah. My anger thanks you and so do i. And so do we... AKA just me. For showing such, not just sympathy but open vulnerable curiosity. Speaking of exercise both yesterday and today i exercised and pushed myself hard too! Even before yesterday i read your post I sweated like a mythical beast running for miles And i did push myself hard and hard because i felt i could and WANTED TO. I wanted to love hard work. I wanted to love sweat and love working my ass off like feral noble beast to build muscle and healthy future for myself Sorry if all the strange animal metaphors, it feels appropriate after such END and relief from false self. Filling void in with good stuff especially so primal stuff as hard workout PS. I guess reason why the emptyness started with "Why be rational?" Is because previously the "answer" was essentially BECAUSE MOM IS GOOD/BECAUSE RULES. And now... even though it still triggers me tad, and feels chilly i say... Because i am and want to keep it that way.

Grrr i lost all what i was going to say damn it... Ill get back to you later. Maybe i should skype it or say it instead rewriting ALL it agains :S

So... people just lambast and equate the word selfish with being parasite? When they themselves most likely are parasite feeding of your (and my) care for being good? Projection then. I... hmmm yeah it sure feels that when you admit right there to me what i already should know that this is not you simple laying down on my feet and doing it all for me the WORD has power because of the FALSE equation with parasite. I guess organism that are parasite want the host to think theyre one too so the parasite can more easily feed on it? :S I... will reconsider. Though i must admit i feel little shame for not picking up such obvious clue about the maybe my PAST is almost completely done and so it feel as if self knowledge has been full achieved. Hrrmmm i think i should havenoticed sooner. And yes this conflict... felt simply like an expression of lack of knowledge humility if you will. Now... i feel tad uncertain. I still want the answer to the question why should i do anything. I feell... ugh i think i feel not same despair as you went trough Dsayers (whatever it was sounds horrid) i think i feel just empty quiet calm. Not the kind of emptyness that is charestiriced by feeling nothing. I think maybe there is self knowledge still to be gained... by aknowlidging that ina weird way i AM waiting for someont to tell me if i hopuld live or do anything at all. Waiting for a permission. I guess what i feel if i say "Ill do what i want and thats reason enough, because i want to. Because i want happiness." Feel as if then i could immidiately say... "And thus if i should do soemhting because i want i can immidiately run roughshot over reason and logic too." As if... having preferances means you can just prefer to ignore logic and ignore reason because there are no SET of rules. "If its ok for me to prefer to live and eat because i want to therefor its ok to prefer whatever including ignoring reaosn and logic if it pelases me." I guess it crux of what i think and feel. This is how i feel. Curious. And weirded out. But ultimately calm curiousity NOT "oh no my life is meaningless for certain!".

I think i get what you mean... are you saying there is some simple desire missing to be filled up? Like the Marslowes Hiearchy of needs? I felt as if all these questions lead up to my own personal preferance of some level. Are you saying figuring it out requires this "primal satrisfaction"? I... appriciate your emphaty Dsayers. Though i must say that this identity crisis or i guess near-kinda-like ego death (but not completely as bad) was RESULT of gaining that one final piece of self knowledge, everything else with help of theraphy, NEW friends and philosofy from Stef and others had already been achieved. My biases, my tendancy towards seeking servitude to people and my tentandy to easily fall into comfortable fog of forgetting important daily activities that would lead me to uncomfortable things like job or education. My loneliness and my fear, my twofaced totally not mutual nor reprocitical "relationship" with my parents. Theyre own pasts and reason why they did what they did all solved. Except for this last one which was the LACK of value over my own preferances and seeking persmission from others to live (and do XYZ). And as i said... this temporary feeling nihilism about morality or rationality itself. Why be rational or good if my mom or dad doesnt say its good or therer is a reason? Why is not "my own benefit" just selfish and relative same as everyone else and so on. I do feel lot better today however, not that i dont got serious work to do to fill my life up with more stuff and KEEP GOING as you said. And yes i have connected over those feelings and parts (IFS style) over the 3 years. And this year has been the most total anti-fog connection ive managed where there is actual intergration with the child left behind in prison and with even my "sopposedly" evil part whcih was merely justified anger (and masculinity ) labeled as a villain. That being said however, i do still "feel" and think that if my preferances arent objective or based on something objective that it doesnt make sense nor do i feel motivated. For instance i have preferance called "eating" now eating i ojectively true it exists its an action that living organism all do and so does origin of eating aka hunger. I have preferance for truth and truth is objective. Now i know these are subjective preferances also in the sense that i could choose to not do them at any given moment and that even though theyre "part of reality or true" thyere not shared by all people AT very least consistently. So that leaves me with the conundrum: Is this very act of reasoning with you and talking trough text preface or something that "neccerily follows" in eating and truth as my preferances? Bauce clearly if i want to talk to you and accurately share ideas/thoguhts i must eat and prefer truth over falsehood. But then... i guess why should i talk with you and other because i want to? I... in my gut there is this STRONG feeling arbitaryness.... of cheapness and of "SO?" Question. So what if i want anything? I am pretty sure self knowledge has been fully achieved... there is no rock unturned in my past and no bias that i dont know of. I think this is GENUINE self curiousity nd curiousity to the world that i sole do not know deep down. Does it matter if i want anyhting at all? Or DO anything at all? I look foward to yuor answer and if you spot some flaws

I am asking this because recently i had an apphipheny (spelling?) about my anger and reason why i have been so struggling with motivation, is because as kid and always i did good rational things for other sake. IN THE PAST, (especially childhood and teens): Why be good? Because others. Why be good? Rules. Why be rational? Because unhappiness otherwise and because its hurts OTHERS. So i find myself in almost ego-death'esque situation with my own beliefs about myself. Why should i do or be anything or anyone? Why simply not lie, be crazy, insane, and contradictionary? WHY does it really matter what i want? What’s the difference between my preferences and anyone else? Why shouldn’t i just take other peoples desire as my own? Yes, this is also about setting or not setting Rules for yourself. And also about the value of myself value if any of my preferences? Why should i prefer anything at all? And is this question itself contradiction on some level? Do i "prefer" truth over falsehood? I do or maybe i say i don’t. Maybe i say gibberish. Then what? Does it all come down to preference? And if so... why do i feel like that’s an arbitrary/subjective standard and thus meaningless or exactly the same as anyone else’s opinion or preference? I feel like my preferences do not have any value objectively. I prefer health? I prefer truth? I prefer to be moral and kind and good? Who cares about that? PS. Yeah... one could say that i sound and come off as bit of nihilistic... but that’s empty one feels when finally your shrugs off your FALSE reason to be X Y or Z. When false-self goes, when "respect" for parents complete evaporates. When values placed and forced in me by abusers vanish.

Ofcourse. Slave on salve attack. The state is HORIZONTAL.

So... buy some gold before its too late? :S

A lot of automation that happens these days i due to minium wage and government intereferance in the economy and peoples lives for decades now. Not to mention current banking "system" set up by the state. Also any technological advance great enough can onyl came trough the market and especially free market at that so... the idea that capitalism would be rendered moot by automation is putting the cart before the horse. AND also scarsity is fact of life and nature and even though it may seem "free" and "abundant" with proper high tech i still scarsity of time, labor of the mind and having to deal and worth with finding acticvities outside of manual labor for human to NOT degrade physically. Hell most of fitness bussness today is strictly already bussness that dealwith this fact of moderm tech getting better, also do no forged it will be long ass whhile before the 3rd world cathes up and long as time the 1st world where this "sopposed" adundance techn will come out, to have time to recover from sjw, feminist, statism and dept. And the aftermath of it all blowing up.

Holy excuses and Deflection from the left Batman!

You know you didnt actually make an arguement againts property rights and merely asserted that iw ould mkae people happy anf then referanced the indian caste system which was anything BUT related or applicable with self ornwership and property rights form rational principles. It sounds to me as if you dont even know what property rights are. Since you didnt even give a defination to critique.

I think stefan has had boatload of videos and interwiews on child psycology and education so mugh wanna start with those! As for the specific questions id just say that whilke i could go into detail about them i think other have already (people stefan interwiews) done great enough work on these. I think principles are important to keep in mind FIRST. Are the children here to serve you? Or you to serve them? If youre here to serve children then you ask what they want or dont want. You interwiew you evaluate yourself according to rationa principles and offer suggestions back and forth but always treat children like the most important customers in the world.

Well we are going to have to chalk the cool/badass to the subjecctive preferance. Or atleast i think thats the case here. As for question: Well most stuf in scifi is "made up" so i dont understand the differance here. But would less magic and fantasy in stories help with peaceful parenting rational thinking and honest political diologue? I am not sure but based on my (totally anecdotal) experience id say its the other way around... IF done well. Game of thrones, Lord of the rings and Harry potter (books) made me and others i know think about self-knowledge, evil, psycology and about morality/courage/honor/fear/childhood as a whole lot more than otherwise we would have trough any scifi or other movie genres. Infact id say the Ring and Horcruxes (from harry potter) as metaphors told in lenth trough the books drew me close to self knowledge and nature or power and nature of self-attack and abuse.

I find it comes from thie idea from the left that comapnies and rich people are jsut hungry and greedy for more and more with apetite that doesnt relent kinda like a "stupid short term caveman" whom just wants BIGGER and MORE of EVERYTHING. And so on... Which is complete and utter projection as almsot always is.

Would this include the entirety or fantasy/magic genre? What about scifi? And what about using dragons/magic as metaphor(s) in art? Or simply as something cool and badass despite theyre plausability. After all its entertainment. Not saying that your preferances are wrong or anything but i just found these 2 points worth, pointing out. For sake of maybe potential interest and reason why other like it and you dont?