RichardY

Pantheism: Athanasius of Alexandria "What is, is good"? (said by another forum member, couldn't find an Internet Reference) Read on the Internet that Spinoza was a Pantheist. God manifest in the Material World(Immanence). Could Pantheism be considered indistinct from physicialism? Read that Subjective Idealism, refutes materialism. Isn't this be closer to the Catholic position? Compatible with the idea of a personal God? Mind > Matter (Faith). Revelations etc Kind of confusing all the different terminology.

Ace post. (Not sarcastic, looked at "Poe's Law") I think this section is good. After reading Ayn Rand "Introduction to Objectivist Epistemology" a while a go and just finishing Nietzsche "Will to Power" I think Nietzsche is correct on the Law of Identity not being the truth. "Be someone" kind of the question from Hamlet. Maybe the lie is more sacred then the Truth. How to effectively lie to yourself (Nietzsche Will to Ignorance) and what to lie about seem to be important questions. I'm reminded of a distinction of the different manifestations of a Will to Power towards the end of the book. 1) Desiring or wishing, 2)Wanting 3)I am or Being (As the Greek Gods). Kind of mind rending, considering dualism. "Better to Reign in Hell than serve in Heaven". So a kind of Entropy(Chaos)? "Freewill"(choice) not being the thing in itself. Some form of Power differential as expressed in "Will to Power". Physicalism as believed by Nietzsche, I think he said somewhere substance theory being influenced by genetic predispositions.

Might not "collapse", could be heading for a civilisation, based even more on slavery. Aka N.Korea. You can run, but you can't hide. Some sort of doomsday clock might be entertaining, I wonder what it should be based on.

First Men in the Moon (1964, HG Wells) Originally published in 1901. Has Geese, "The Moon", "Ants", Communication, Travel, Boundaries etc..... "Will you have whiskey with your water / Or sugar with your tea / What are these crazy questions / That they're asking of me/ Don't turn on the lights cause, I don't wanna see."

By saying that you kind of encourage some people to go and watch it. Besides there's a bit in the movie that mimics the goose video you posted. I thought it was the best Alien movie I've seen, was glad I watched it on my birthday. Though probably going to trigger a lot of people, isn't exactly the Lego Movie(Only seen clips). Ridley Scott is a very good director, though probably going to freak-out girls potentially.

"God is a concept by which we measure our pain."

A few thoughts. Lot of people probably thinking along a similar line, in that we live in a corrupt society and are ourselves corrupted. The time for purity has passed for now, blood is required one way or another. Telling the truth is all well and good, but virtue requires strength, maybe even sacrifice. How to build strength or how to sacrifice are questions that need answers. I've looked at some of Ayn Rands and Aristotle on virtue and not found an easy answer, alternatively there is still Stoicism and haven't looked much into sacrifice, although Nietzsche mentions it a bit. How to connect with people or at least one person? To some extent being Northern European means greater individualism, but there is often the necessity of having to mix with people. How to embrace your own individuality who knows... Bart: Willie I've got a girlfriend. Willie: I do too, she's a bikini model from Sweden... Inga: Willie come back to bed. Willie: Don't compete with my Job Inga you'll never win. "If you build it, he/they will come."

Anyone seen Alien Covenant? I watched it yesterday, covered in a way these questions.

Kind of the point though. How many bankers and politicians were imprisoned in the Financial Crisis? (excluding Iceland...) Corporation, n. An ingenious device for obtaining individual profit without individual responsibility.

I understand what you are saying. The Shawshank Redemption, kind of like when Andy Dufresne creates the legal fiction, Randall Stephens. Mike Cernovich was talking to Stefan Molyneux recently along a similar train of thought, when Mike brought up social constructs and factionalism. "Salvation lies within." Might want to think about how limits are established, Ethics as well. Have some constructs, if not collective ones.

Mirror Mirror.... "I've never seen perfection, but no woman could come closer to it." --Kirk Sounds like you're on to something good. Well thought out post, some deep topics and potentially deep thinking required. Thought I'd throw around a couple of references, the Tantalus Myth is another. Get a few additional ideas rolling around in people's minds.

I'll tell you what I think is worth more than a Human and an Animals Life. Communication for Ants. The reason being that 1 ant isn't worth much to the survival of the colony, but it's potential communication via a pheromone trails is. Freedom of Speech/Communication for people. One reason being, without communication and freedom of speech, predation is much more possible. Great Wall of China (workers buried in foundation), Death road in Norway, Design of Roman Helmets, Pony Express, Mongol Empire, going postal.........etc As for a machine as long as you can communicate with it, things might be ok. Crystalline Entity............

Why not move to the USA? Or Ireland? Functional: Kind of makes me think of the fully functional bit of speech from STTNG and subsequent Merchant of Venice paraphrase. Codependent: noticed the phrase used quite a bit recently. I'd say my parents are codependent to a large degree. Not sure how normal it is, but only really talked to my father as in having a conversation maybe roughly 10 hours or less don't remember the topics, just my own intuitive feeling. Father is kind of narcissistic, but mostly cold, stubborn, pig-headed, the question "compared to what comes to mind". Mother not narcissistic, but reclusive, although she talks a lot when she meets people. mostly small talk though. Over protective perhaps, I remember when I was 5 watching on TV about the James Bulger Killers(2 ten year olds, that tortured and murdered a 2 year old). Knew the world was kind of messed up at that point, was disillusioned and wondered how 2 murderers had more stuff than I did, when I wasn't permitted to go outside. Kind of torturing in a way, my verbal understanding was greater than my mothers at that point. Felt suicidal, would have preferred to live with my grandparents if given the choice. Grandfather was more intelligent than my father, could afford a colour TV in the 60's and take the car with them on holiday on the train, also had more things in common. Present day feel kind of shitty really, lack of heart. I guess the UK isn't as bad as Sweden in many respects, but it probably ain't far off. When the EU opened the borders to Eastern Europe Sweden and the UK put no limits on immigration made the area where I presently live, kind of bad for trainee wages. Though what I really dislike is the numbers of people. Personally lack ambition, though a lot of work around where I live looks like slavery almost. But I also feel judged in a way. So thinking of how to either get out of the area completely(hello Northwest Territories or Outback?) or how best to inform people of the shit that goes on and try and do something about it.

I think the best you can do is tackle corruption. How best to go about it, not much of an idea really. Reason and Evidence, perhaps as Stefan often says. You can't really fight Evil directly, only bring people the truth.

Well, have the fence but I don't think it is enough to stop major problems that are coming in Europe. Hungary and Eastern Europe might be ok for the foreseeable future. Thing is the governments aren't willing to turn back the boats crossing the Mediterranean. Some migrants even crossing via Finland, though they're probably more innovative. Doesn't look certain Marine le Pen will win in France. I wonder if I could claim asylum in Canada or USA, have European natives move overseas..., maybe could emigrate legally, though personally I'd be classified as unskilled. For Europeans staying what can be done, its not like the information isn't out there but still people virtue signal.

Wouldn't be surprised if they dug tunnels, must be hundreds of ways to cross the border illegally.

Why would they even bother to storm the fence? How many I wonder go through Slovenia. The whole setup is more idiotic than the Maginot Line.

Hey maybe, as I said Monisim in one form or another is 90% of the planet imo. Still, I can't see how Ethics and individuality would not be delusional, if Dualism wasn't the case.

Yeah the experience of Truth/Existence. By assuming you know truth, you express the truth of your existence(Truth in self). Ah but if "A is A" ever occurred. Wouldn't that collapse space time? Two identical pieces of matter occupying the same position. Or is there a singularity in the "is", The persons mind. Why even sense in a monistic universe? "“All right: the concept of 'number' is defined for you as the logical sum of these individual interrelated concepts: cardinal numbers, rational numbers, real numbers etc.;” ... — it need not be so. For I can give the concept 'number' rigid limits in this way, that is, use the word 'number' for a rigidly limited concept, but I can also use it so that the extension of the concept is not closed by a frontier. ...Can you give the boundary? No. You can draw one..." —Ludwig Wittgenstein, excerpt from §68 in Philosophical Investigations Although recently there maybe blackhole in Sagittarius A* inferred through phenomena. Reality; is bound by limits, which could not be perceived without the existence of a mind. But existence; non-reality, is not bound by limits, it just is. Hey, no problem. Working through this stuff myself, where to focus on, muddle through I guess.

Yes you would. Universal Epistemological Theories: Dualism. Matter being Deterministic side, and Mind being Freewill. One theory for matter, the classical mechanics side. The other for the mind, Ethics, Quantum Mechanics, other dimensions and universes. Maybe you can't know truth because then you'd be a God, only experience truth. The same way you can't know a person, only experience their company. A way of experiencing truth with another person, being through Goodwill and or Ethics. An indirect way of measuring truth, perhaps through increased consciousness and awareness. What if the two methodologies overlapped in someway, a bit like set theory? Like having multiple pieces of evidence some of which might be contradictory or insufficient. Perhaps like the fundamental forces of physics. Yeah looks that way, haven't listened to all of the Will to Power. Dualism doesn't refute matter in terms of reality, just that in addition to that reality, there is the potential for the mind to encompass more then what is, to perhaps bring more matter into existence, blackholes, whiteholes etc Which if they exist wouldn't they change any constant of this universe? If there was a constant then how did the universe form in the first-place. Why only one Big Bang, why not multiple ones, across a void, which is by definition impossible to imagine but yet the word remains. I thought it was well thought out. My thoughts on Monism is wouldn't that mean that concepts such as, Ethics, Good and Bad, were ultimately delusional? All Good Things... Another thing with monism, is it hasn't reconciled this supposed 3rd substance that links mind and matter into one, so why not deal with the acknowledged entities as they are, Mind and Matter? One more thing I've noticed is that the majority of people like 90%+(imo) are monists in one way or another.

""Why am I me and not you?" Sounds a bit like a bit of speech from the STTNG episode "Time Squared".Star Trek STNG Moments 39 Time Squared Almost word for word. Maybe something to do with the concept of a singularity. "Where we're going we don't need eyes to see" - Event Horizon. Bit of a Back to the Future Vibe.

If a politician had the opportunity to kill several million people with a 30% to stay in power beyond their term or maintain a dictatorship, would they do it? I remember Stefan's criticism of Rand, having man's life as the standard of value.

Omelas. Sounds like Omerta, so related to Hombre, something to do with wholeness manliness and virtue? I think providing what you do is done willingly and with the aim to alleviate corruption, both in yourself and others i.e Virtue. Maybe you can do some good, or at least increase your consciousness. Narcotics(Sleep inducing)suppress consciousness. So imo they may enter a state of bliss(Hedonism), followed by hell. In contrast the experience of pain, which is one reason virtue is not that prevalent, will tend to increase or suppress consciousness. "Embrace the Suck" Mike Cernovich, quoting Navy Seals. or "Whatever doesn't kill you makes you stronger" Nietzsche. "No Pain no Gain" Arnold Schwarzenegger. Red Pill or Blue Pill? I'm reminded of a Youtube video "Why Tyrion can't be Killed".https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMliNd2b2K0 "The thing" is some people freak-out if you bring them, evidence. Flamethrower test scene or "Make friends and Influence people"?

Not Evil, but it is Corruption. Which makes Evil possible.