PatrickC

Well the thing I notice about this, which is what Robin was getting at too. Was if you just talk to random women 1/100 based on looks as your initial starter. Then the first thoughts are gonna be, 'fine arse', 'nice boobies' or 'great lips'. This is certainly going to cause your conversation to lack lustre if you attempt to make other chat with all that at the forefront of your mind. Particularly if you don't chat to many women as a norm. You have my sympathies with the religious upbringing and all that repression around sex. That can screw with your head for some years. But I can tell you that if you choose women for sex and they agree, they will eventually make your life a misery. Start asking yourself honestly what values you have for yourself firstly and whether you would engage with these women if they were men. I say this, because as sure as eggs any lady that takes you up will mirror the same values (good or bad) back at you.

Ha nice one Magnus. Yup, that is Justicar. He likes to play logic games with people. Not so much into reason, other than to make others look foolish.

Notice how you didn't answer Robins question.

I've been following this series of videos over the past couple of weeks quite closely. Justicar is certainly no dumb cookie that's for sure. But it's a useful exercise in understanding some of our more cleverer opponents. His argument is that since we choose to remain within society, therefore we have chosen to be taxed and ruled over. Since we could leave it and the state would leave us alone. Of course that would require giving up on all the benefits that society brings, such as manufactured food, transportation, clothing and housing. But he sees those as 'entitlements' that our principles should be able to withstand. This is a fait accompli in his mind. It's a pure logic take on the social contract as he sees it. Regarding this particular video, for the first time he actually begins to dabble in ethics, although he'd probably deny it. The moral argument is the only way you wiill start to demolish his argument logically. But I strongly suspect he will disappear into relativism of some sort or another.

Very well said Joel. This was a similar method I used when I first woke up to myself regarding this issue a couple of years back. The degree to which we can have empathy for girls and not for boys, is the same degree in which we lack empathy.

_________________________________ "Still, being surrounded by men who belly-laughed at rape jokes and pinned evil elements of human nature wholesale on women was emotionally taxing at best and self-destructive at worst. Once, during a particularly upsetting segment of the program, I had to excuse myself from the auditorium to seek refuge on the bug-filled bank of Lake St. Clair. I kept wondering why I had volunteered to fly 600 miles to attend the conference alone, to surround myself not just with crass ideological opponents, but with people with violent Internet histories who believed my very existence oppressed them. But to emerge on the other side of this with both my sanity and a worthwhile story, I would have to actually adopt a grain of their advice. I would have to stop feeling like a victim, and in turn cast aside all of the humiliating and unfair and devastating experiences I had collected as a woman." _________________________________ The argument from offence and pleas to the emotions are such an insidiously female practice, other than perhaps the most ideological of leftist. The denial of female privilege in this regard is quite remarkable, but no less unsurprising. Jessica, how on earth did you forget to bring your smelling salts?

The free market creates something great and then the entitled scream, 'but I want someone else to pay for it!' Really, we need Stef's aliens analysis of this me thinks..

With that deep Dublin accent, you'd never pull it off mate..

I thought this was a really interesting way to describe the underlying value (for feminists) of 'rape culture', thanks. Would you agree that this reaction seems to be accentuated in the white knight?

Only if they end up doing a liberal arts degree.

Thanks for the interest, as i say I can't recall, but I'll happily PM you after I asked my friend. For now I don't really want to hyjack Kyle's thread by veering off in a discussion about MB that is unlikely to be helpful for him.

Hi Kyle, I was interested to understand, what is "chemistry" for you? I mostly agree with James on this. In my opinion the Myers-Briggs seems to pigeon hole an individual into a type that is immovable. Whilst some traits have remained with me since exploring self knowledge I also know a lot of traits have simply gone and replaced by other traits. I am much more logical now than I was in the past when I reacted more on my feelings. A long term board friend of mine has been exploring this topic and uses a different but similar method to the Myers-Briggs, which I can't recall just now. Which include more personality types and the ability for types to change and develop over a lifetime. This seems a much more feasible method to me. That said, I still can't quite get over the whole horoscope feeling I get from these tests.Of course that might just be my bad knowledge of it. All of which probably precipitated my initial question to you Kyle.

Well thanks for such an honest response Chris.. So these were past friends that attempted tp railroad you. I'm really sorry to hear that.

I'm with Wes on this issue.. FDR has resources they could probably better allocate. That said, if there was enough contributions towards this regard as Ivan highlights, then let's hear the fat lady sing.

Just to be clear I don't wish to be uncompassionate towards your experience here. But I'm really curious, why are you engaging with these ideologues?

Very well said matrix. I look back on my history with this and I shudder. It's a salutory reminder to all men that when meeting a women for the first time that you remain in public throughout.

Ok, so after some conversation on Facebook it was felt that Saturday (19th July) might be a more preferable day rather than the Sunday for those that are more long distanced and meeting at Kings Cross at 12 pm rather than 10 am. I'm interested to hear some feedback on this if this helps bring more people to the party. Otherwise I will just revert to my previous schedule, whilst changing the meet up time (on the Sunday) to 12 pm.

I hope I don't sound too gushing, but in my opinion that was one of Stef's greatest speeches to date. Really something to admire and after all these years of being around fdr I am still truly in awe. The dexterous way he manoeuvred into topics with great humour and sincerity. Never once pulling any punches. I don't know if it's the recent delve into the manosphere that has sharpened your sword of late. I doubt it's entirely that, certainly surviving cancer has probably given you a significant spring in your step too. But seriously, whilst I've always enjoyed your speeches, they are just getting better and better.

luminescent, well said!

I'm gonna take the cynical view here. It's just another reason for certain women to whine about having to looking pretty. Like they have no decision in the matter. How is Beyonce even helping females to overcome this urge? I guess it's the patriarchy and she has no choice but to keep indulging in her own beauty herself.

If you want to understand more about virtue, then you should study the sections of UPB that discuss aesthetically preferred actions (APA).

Since it's a commercial, it's trying to appeal to women's intellectual vanities. "Let's tell her she's pretty smart too". Whilst still keeping the inference that she's still pretty. Yea, it's annoying on so many levels.

Yes, I'd just take this as a great compliment to your family.

I'm giving this a bump as a reminder to folk that haven't yet responded to the meet up on the 20th July. Happy to re-negotiate the timing if you have found it has now clashed with something for you. But I'd like to get the event formalised as soon as possible so that those interested can make firm fixtures and I can market the event with the fdr meet up team. Feel free to ping me on skype or facebook if you prefer.